I have a few seeds coming from Italy...anyone ever grow these?

[drew51]

Originally Posted by antichevarieta

you are correct..these are all just local/regional varieties of the Costoluto tomato...

Yes, but what sauce!

[antichevarieta]

Originally Posted by drew51

I bought some of these too, but mine come from a certified organic farm in France.

where / from whom is france are you buying? if i may ask

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by antichevarieta

where / from whom is france are you buying? if i may ask

And if you haven't figured it out the poster is Roberta, whom I mentioned above, who is sending me the seeds.

I sent her the link and also will mention that she's still being secretive on what else she's sending me other than tomato seeds.

So when the UPS truck pulls in and Phil gets out to deliver what the special treat is, I don't know if I should look for a live pig so I can somehow get someone to deal with it to make some Parma ham, or perhaps a huge wheel of cheese made in northern Italy from a herd of sheep that are a rare breed, so rare they aren't known anywheres else on earth.

Sheesh, I just don't know.

Carolyn

[Doug9345]

Originally Posted by antichevarieta

I was really surprised to see someone describe the Italian Cuore di Bue as a "spitter". It is an amazing tomato..very productive, grows to a nice big size, meaty and a great taste. I wonder if they had seeds from a real Cuore di Bue.

Growing conditions and individual taste preferences make a huge difference in how a tomato gets ranked.

There are many foods that people will rave about that I wouldn't eat on a dare. If they are on a buffet not only won't I eat them I won't eat the things next to it just in case I make a mistake.

[nnjjohn]

Originally Posted by Doug9345

Growing conditions and individual taste preferences make a huge difference in how a tomato gets ranked.

There are many foods that people will rave about that I wouldn't eat on a dare. If they are on a buffet not only won't I eat them I won't eat the things next to it just in case I make a mistake.

Ever watch how those food channel networks prepare them raw seafood egg sushi dishes and octopus eyeballs and stuff like that? I would much prefer eating tree bark.. because i can't handle even a hint of raw fish or caviar or much anything raw .. what about the bald headed guy what's his face.. he ate this putrid sun rotted meat mixed with raw egg in some Muslim country think it was in Pakistan.. where they eat it regularly. I am just a meat and tomato kind a guy.. or is that meat and potato

[brokenbar]

Last time I was in Thailand, (a few months back) I made up my mind to eat a "Fried Scorpion On A Stick" which they always show on all these travel foodie shows... The one I ate was so fried, it could have been anything. Little pepper/fish sauce dipping sauce and it was tasty!
However, on all of our travels, I have seen "food" and use the term very loosely....that was something I would have never considered placing in the "food" category and Lucifer himself could not make me eat. For me, it's really about smell and some stuff is so foul smelling, I could not even begin to get it near my mouth...Most of us in this country have never really been hungry...people in other countries must make do with what is available and have far fewer qualms than we have about eating some things/dishes/unknown category items. As I eat almost no categories of food now (meat, processed foods, dairy, eggs, sugar, vegetables of any kind) and basically live on bread, rice, coffee and tea, I am afraid I would look like an anorexic broomstick!

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by nnjjohn

Ever watch how those food channel networks prepare them raw seafood egg sushi dishes and octopus eyeballs and stuff like that? I would much prefer eating tree bark.. because i can't handle even a hint of raw fish or caviar or much anything raw .. what about the bald headed guy what's his face.. he ate this putrid sun rotted meat mixed with raw egg in some Muslim country think it was in Pakistan.. where they eat it regularly. I am just a meat and tomato kind a guy.. or is that meat and potato

The hilarious thing about that is I started life being fed fish that was severely over cooked and now a days. I can usually only tolerate seared fish at best or based and deep fried.

[drew51]

Originally Posted by antichevarieta

where / from whom is france are you buying? if i may ask

Yeah sorry, missed the post. http://jandlseeds.com/

[carolyn137]

Roberta just e-mailed me what she's sending me which should arrive the end of this week.

Eat your hearts out folks.

Cuore di Bue
Cuore di Bue Albenga
Licata
Rey Umberto
Belmonte Costoluto
Chili
Cornuto delle Ande
Belmonte Calabro

And I don't have to worry about a pig being delivered since she' also sending me several wedges of some great eating cheeses that I'd never heard of before and sent along a link describing them, in English.

Roberta, you are now nominated by me and elected by me to my Hall of Fame of seed and cheese providers.

Next, if you can rent a plane and fly it here would come real Italian Gelato and some of those wonderful pastries I had when I was in Italy all those many years ago.

I'll pay for the food and let you pay for the plane rental and all that goes with that. Should you stop off in Paris for your first hop, there's a few things I'd like from there as well.

Carolyn, who will have to go to the folks who answered her SOS for help thread to get the above varieties grown out this summer, heaven bless those volunteers. And that's where she's going now, to the back room to pack seeds for the first group of volunteers.

[antichevarieta]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Roberta just e-mailed me what she's sending me which should arrive the end of this week.

Eat your hearts out folks.

Cuore di Bue
Cuore di Bue Albenga
Licata
Rey Umberto
Belmonte Costoluto
Chili
Cornuto delle Ande
Belmonte Calabro

And I don't have to worry about a pig being delivered since she' also sending me several wedges of some great eating cheeses that I'd never heard of before and sent along a link describing them, in English.

Roberta, you are now nominated by me and elected by me to my Hall of Fame of seed and cheese providers.

Next, if you can rent a plane and fly it here would come real Italian Gelato and some of those wonderful pastries I had when I was in Italy all those many years ago.

I'll pay for the food and let you pay for the plane rental and all that goes with that. Should you stop off in Paris for your first hop, there's a few things I'd like from there as well.

Carolyn, who will have to go to the folks who answered her SOS for help thread to get the above varieties grown out this summer, heaven bless those volunteers. And that's where she's going now, to the back room to pack seeds for the first group of volunteers.

Ciao Carolyn,

la prossima primavera, spedirò il dolce!!!
Ma io vorrei cibo cinese!!!

[antichevarieta]

the belmont calabro seems really good
http://www.comunedibelmontecalabro.cs.it/pomodoro.htm

[Father'sDaughter]

I'm guessing the Belmonte Calabro is from the region of the same name? I ask because my parents (and every generation before me) grew up about 40 miles from there. Finding the tomatoes from the old country is partly what started me down this long and winding tomato road. Dad abandoned the old seeds many years ago so I have clue what he used to grow. All I can get out of him is that they weren't growing "right" anymore, so I suspect he had some crossing along the way. Unfortunately, I didn't pay a lot of attention while I was growing up.

As for cheese, when I was growing up nobody ever came to visit from Italy or returned from a trip back home without several wheels of the locally produced pecorino stashed in their suitcases which were parted out among my cousins' families that lived nearby. It stunk to high heaven, but it was oh so good! Sometimes they even came with some salumi that one of the relatives over there had made. Good luck getting that past airport security these days.

[antichevarieta]

yes these tomatoes are from Belmonte, Calabria
here is a wiki link for more information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmonte_Calabro
there are two varieties..one is heart shaped, the costoluto variety is called "il Gigante" and weighs anywhere from 1.5 to over 2 pounds. it is described as "rosato intenso" (deep red) w pochi semi (few seeds)

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by antichevarieta

yes these tomatoes are from Belmonte, Calabria
here is a wiki link for more information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmonte_Calabro
there are two varieties..one is heart shaped, the costoluto variety is called "il Gigante" and weighs anywhere from 1.5 to over 2 pounds. it is described as "rosato intenso" (deep red) w pochi semi (few seeds)

OK, I'll play ignorant, which isn't hard to do, so what do I have from you?

Belmonte Calabra, which heart shaped and red?

And Belmonte Costoluto which is a BIG red beefsteak? And do I call it Belmonte Costoluto or il Gigante?

And what, pray tell, is Chile? The closest I can come to thatone is from Tania's page for the following and all it says is BIG. LOL

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/C...lla_Garfagnana

I guess garfagnana means gargantuan maybe?

The Cornuto one I think I know with a different name as in:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cornue_Des_Andes

I grew a Belmonte many years ago and it was big, somewhat ribbed, and PINK. No way can I remember where I got the seeds from but I know they weren't purchased. The last seeds I ever bought were in 1998.

Carolyn

[antichevarieta]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

OK, I'll play ignorant, which isn't hard to do, so what do I have from you?

Belmonte Calabra, which heart shaped and red?

And Belmonte Costoluto which is a BIG red beefsteak? And do I call it Belmonte Costoluto or il Gigante?

And what, pray tell, is Chile? The closest I can come to thatone is from Tania's page for the following and all it says is BIG. LOL

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/C...lla_Garfagnana

I guess garfagnana means gargantuan maybe?

The Cornuto one I think I know with a different name as in:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cornue_Des_Andes

I grew a Belmonte many years ago and it was big, somewhat ribbed, and PINK. No way can I remember where I got the seeds from but I know they weren't purchased. The last seeds I ever bought were in 1998.

Carolyn

the belmont calabra should be the heart
the belmont costoluto is "il gigante"..a great name if you are asking my 2 cents worth..and yes it is ribbed
chilo is also huge ( a kilo is 2.2pounds)
and yes that is the same tomato from Tania's site..a great producer!!!
in boca al lupo (good luck!)