Could This Be Sun Gold OP - Page 3

RJGlew · July 31, 2015

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Yes, I know that many have noted that but I'm not alone in saying that I've grown the F1 many times and have never smelled anything different about the foliage.

No different IMO when so many say they love the smoky taste of most so called blacks and I never have.

Perhaps we share a common ancestor.

ddsack · July 31, 2015

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Yes, I know that many have noted that but I'm not alone in saying that I've grown the F1 many times and have never smelled anything different about the foliage.

No different IMO when so many say they love the smoky taste of most so called blacks and I never have.

Perhaps we share a common ancestor.

I never noticed anything unusual about the smell either, until it was brought up in this forum for the first time a few years ago. Then, when I actually rubbed SG F1 leaves and compared the smell to rubbed leaves of other adjacent cherries, I could tell the difference - to me - a lighter, brighter, fresher smell, not as much of the typical tomato leaf smell.

ContainerTed · July 31, 2015

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

About the special scent of Sungold F1 foliage.

Yes, I know that many have noted that but I'm not alone in saying that I've grown the F1 many times and have never smelled anything different about the foliage.

No different IMO when so many say they love the smoky taste of most so called blacks and I never have.

The genes we have also help determine what we smell, what we taste, the colors we see, etc., and each of us has our own package of genes unique to each person.

Carolyn

If you note the sequence I went thru, It took me about 45 minutes to get thru several iterations, but in the end, I could just detect a difference that reminded me of the fruit. I had a light breeze going, so it kept any aromas from collecting in one place. People who smoke tobacco might not be able to detect it.

MarinaRussian · July 31, 2015

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Originally Posted by heirloomtomaguy

If you want Sungold F1 seeds pm me your address and i will send some your way. I always keep international stamps on hand so it is no problem at all.

Oh, that's so nice of you!!! RJGlew just offered to send me some. Thank you

BigVanVader · July 31, 2015

It smells like Marijuana, hard to miss.

MarinaRussian · July 31, 2015

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Originally Posted by BigVanVader

It smells like Marijuana, hard to miss.

Really??? I imagined it would be more like a fruity fragrance

bower · July 31, 2015

I once had the pleasure of crawling around in a tangled thicket of unpruned sungolds in an enclosed, humid greenhouse... the smell of the foliage was overpowering, and frankly, I found I didn't like it a bit.

It is fruity, but a sour, pungent, musky fruity to my nose.
Can't compare marijuana, since I've never had the pleasure of crawling through that kind of thicket.

Sungold fruits are delicious though, no doubt about it.

joseph · August 17, 2015

This tomato is a descendant of SunGold... Diameter = 2". It's an F3-F4. Don't know if it got crossed at some point. The mothers the last few years have been small orange cherry tomatoes. Haven't tasted it yet...

RJGlew · August 17, 2015

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Originally Posted by BigVanVader

It smells like Marijuana, hard to miss.

Must be your soil.

AdrianaG · August 18, 2015

Joseph, your F3-F4 looks identical the the Jaune Flammés I'm growing this year, which are smaller than I expected. The JF are nowhere near as sweet as Sungold, which incidentally, I don't care for, because they are TOO SWEET.

MarinaRussian · September 17, 2015

Ted, how are SunGolds doing?

ContainerTed · September 17, 2015

Hey, Marina. I have 3 plants going, but they seem to be agonizingly slow to do anything. Still waiting on something that might look like the beginning of a bloom. I have a feeling, based on the last 6 years, that the frost will get me before I can get fruit to harvest.

gorbelly · September 17, 2015

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

from memory there's

Sungold 1
Sungold 11
Sungold Select
Big Sungold Select.

I grew Sungold Select II (Reinhard Kraft) this year with seeds from Baker Creek.

They weren't as good as the hybrid, though the flavor improved over the season. Thick skins (although, on the flip side of that, no cracking), not as sweet as the hybrid. Started off a bit bland but got fruitier and sweeter as the summer went on.

Out of 4 plants, 1 was off-type and produced orange-red fruit. This fruit was actually more interesting to me than the on-type ones. Thin skins but no cracking, very fruity aroma but more on the zippy/tangy end of the spectrum though not so far as to be sour. While the on-type plants are really petering out now, the off-type plant is still pumping out tons of cherries.

I won't grow these again and will grow the hybrid if I do grow sungold again. I still have many tomatoes to try and limited garden space, so I'm going to hold off on sungold for a while. But I might save seed from the red ones, too.

gorbelly · September 17, 2015

Oh, I forgot--one plant was an extra that I just put in the ground in the corner of the yard rather than throw it out and proceeded to neglect. It was an on-type plant. As expected, the plant was smaller and suffered a lot of critter damage from being left sprawling, and it produced fewer fruit and much later than the ones in beds, but it also produced tomatoes that were twice as large as the ones in the garden beds, and they tasted better.

Either that one was a variant with larger cherries, or the fruit benefited from stress, or a combination of both.

Average fruit from neglected plant on left. Average fruit from well-tended plant on right.

**carolyn137** · September 17, 2015

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Originally Posted by gorbelly

I grew Sungold Select II (Reinhard Kraft) this year with seeds from Baker Creek.

They weren't as good as the hybrid, though the flavor improved over the season. Thick skins (although, on the flip side of that, no cracking), not as sweet as the hybrid. Started off a bit bland but got fruitier and sweeter as the summer went on.

Out of 4 plants, 1 was off-type and produced orange-red fruit. This fruit was actually more interesting to me than the on-type ones. Thin skins but no cracking, very fruity aroma but more on the zippy/tangy end of the spectrum though not so far as to be sour. While the on-type plants are really petering out now, the off-type plant is still pumping out tons of cherries.

I won't grow these again and will grow the hybrid if I do grow sungold again. I still have many tomatoes to try and limited garden space, so I'm going to hold off on sungold for a while. But I might save seed from the red ones, too.

Seed production for it was done by one of their seed producers and it was found out ASAP that what they were selling was a mixup and not correct.

I thought they stopped listing . Are they still listing it or perhaps someone else did new seed production.

Carolyn, who answered her own question when she read that you bought the seeds this year. That's really bad, bad, since it was reported back to them about the problem. But then I've read a few reports of folks getting wrong seed from Baker Creek of late, and not just tomatoes.

August 17, 2015	#38
joseph Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Cache Valley, N/E of The Great Salt Lake Posts: 1,244	This tomato is a descendant of SunGold... Diameter = 2". It's an F3-F4. Don't know if it got crossed at some point. The mothers the last few years have been small orange cherry tomatoes. Haven't tasted it yet... Last edited by joseph; August 17, 2015 at 06:23 PM.

August 18, 2015	#40
AdrianaG Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 153	Joseph, your F3-F4 looks identical the the Jaune Flammés I'm growing this year, which are smaller than I expected. The JF are nowhere near as sweet as Sungold, which incidentally, I don't care for, because they are TOO SWEET. Last edited by AdrianaG; August 18, 2015 at 05:24 AM.

September 17, 2015	#42
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Hey, Marina. I have 3 plants going, but they seem to be agonizingly slow to do anything. Still waiting on something that might look like the beginning of a bloom. I have a feeling, based on the last 6 years, that the frost will get me before I can get fruit to harvest. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

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July 31, 2015	#35
BigVanVader Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 3,099	It smells like Marijuana, hard to miss.

July 31, 2015	#37
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	I once had the pleasure of crawling around in a tangled thicket of unpruned sungolds in an enclosed, humid greenhouse... the smell of the foliage was overpowering, and frankly, I found I didn't like it a bit. It is fruity, but a sour, pungent, musky fruity to my nose. Can't compare marijuana, since I've never had the pleasure of crawling through that kind of thicket. Sungold fruits are delicious though, no doubt about it.

September 17, 2015	#41
MarinaRussian Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Russia Posts: 176	Ted, how are SunGolds doing?

September 17, 2015	#44
gorbelly Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,069	Oh, I forgot--one plant was an extra that I just put in the ground in the corner of the yard rather than throw it out and proceeded to neglect. It was an on-type plant. As expected, the plant was smaller and suffered a lot of critter damage from being left sprawling, and it produced fewer fruit and much later than the ones in beds, but it also produced tomatoes that were twice as large as the ones in the garden beds, and they tasted better. Either that one was a variant with larger cherries, or the fruit benefited from stress, or a combination of both. Average fruit from neglected plant on left. Average fruit from well-tended plant on right.