Riesentraube Comparisons - Page 4

AlittleSalt · May 9, 2016

Early results First picture is VHS Cherry and the Second is Raisedasnob

Gardeneer · May 9, 2016

They both look great, Robert .
Here is a picture of my RT, after about 20 days from plant out.
It took her a while to get adjusted and grab the soil. Now she is on the move. I gave her a 12 gallon pot. This is my only full size grape/cherry variety. Go Girl !

Gardeneer.
UPDATE: Today I saw a truss of bud forming. A big one.

zipcode · May 10, 2016

They are suspiciously small plants, as a seedling it's almost dwarf size but not rugose (a bit darker than usual however).
Some clusters of flowers can get in the hundreds of flowers. Only some of them set obviously.
Unlike most OP cherries it's very well suited to one stem pruning.

Gardeneer · May 10, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipcode

They are suspiciously small plants, as a seedling it's almost dwarf size but not rugose (a bit darker than usual however).
Some clusters of flowers can get in the hundreds of flowers. Only some of them set obviously.
Unlike most OP cherries it's very well suited to one stem pruning.

Thanks , zipcode.
That is the kind of info that I have been seeking ; GROWTH HABIT
As you said, it starts growing very slowly. I compare it at 14", to some of my Better boys at 30". Def not acting like some cherry tomatoes. I like this feature a lot. It is much easier to manage.

Gardeneer

AlittleSalt · May 10, 2016

Three of the 5 plants I have are smaller in size than most of the other tomato plants in the garden. One Raisedasnob plant and one VHS cherry are growing larger. Last year, the VHS Cherry grew to four and a half - 5 feet tall. They grew pretty wide.

Tracydr · May 10, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldframer

I grew this one in central Montana, and never kept any seeds, as it was pretty bland. Could well be the alkaline soil, but...Pretty prolific, and beautiful fruit (with a nipple)!

I had the exact same issue in AZ. Where did you get your seeds? Mine were from Tomatofest.
They looked every bit the same but everyone who tried them said " they taste like grocery store,yuck".
Even dehydrating them amd using for sauce,they were similar to yellow pear,bland,bland,bland.
I had terribly alkaline soil but didn't seem to effect taste on other tomatoes I grew and the dry weather seemed to enhance the flavors.

Tracydr · May 10, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

Trying Riesentraube for the first time this year. I grow my cherries on 8 foot bamboo pyramids, they just go up and over and down, and I just let them roll.

Can you start another thread showing off your pyramids?

zipcode · May 11, 2016

They are not sweet, if that's what you mean by bland.
I found them to be rather good. Growing this year again. One uncool feature is that the fruit often drops from the plant by itself.
Soil pH can have an influence on taste, with high pH the minerals uptake goes down considerably.

Tracydr · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipcode

They are not sweet, if that's what you mean by bland.
I found them to be rather good. Growing this year again. One uncool feature is that the fruit often drops from the plant by itself.
Soil pH can have an influence on taste, with high pH the minerals uptake goes down considerably.

No,when I say bland I mean flavorless,just like a grocery tomato. I think I may have had crossed seeds although everything looked normal.
I will have to get new seeds and try again sometime.

**carolyn137** · May 11, 2016

Maybe look again at my post #3 in this thread?

In my heirloom book I showed a picture of just one huge truss,I stated that the plants were indet,I said production was high,I described the fruits and the taste as well, which I called an intense flavor,my words now,a true tomato taste. And in that regard I would compare it to Gardener's Delight from Germany,a very very old variety with that same intense tomato taste.

In the book appendix I noted that seeds were obtained by Curtis Choplin,an SSE member,from the German Seed bank, Craig L got seeds from Curtis and I got seeds from Craig, and this back in the early 90's.

I love it,I really do.

Later it was found to be not just a German name but we had it as a german name since the seeds were obtained from the German Seed Bank but it was grown in many European coun tries and in Hungary it was known as Goat's t*t, to describe the nipple at the blossom end.

WWW found that it was also known in PA by the 1850's, brought to the USA by some from those countries. And he also said they also used it to make wine,he sent me some, and it was deicious,like a pale sherry.
And he gave me the recipe which Craig and I copied to our then international news letter called Off The Vine.

There was a fairly recent thread here about Riesentraube and someone was looking for that recipe,and my good friend Neil G in Canada had kept all of his copies of OTV(Off theVine), found that recipe and it's now in my faves.

So when someone says bland, tasteless,whatever,that doesn't jibe with the SSE listings, nor my own experience for it and I grew it many times for seed production for my own SSE listings when I was still a listed member . I just checked my 2016 SSE Yearbook to confirm that the listings are still long and in a quick read saw no one who described it as bland or tasteless..

Carolyn

Tracydr · May 11, 2016

Carolyn,I'm sure the seeds I had weren't right. I had at least 8 plants and the flavor was very tasteless. This was in AZ,grown with heat and dry,which usually intensified flavor.
I would almost call it insipid as even dehydrated it wasn't flavorful. Think bad grocery store cherry stored in the refrigerator.

AlittleSalt · May 11, 2016

Tracy, that's just made my taste buds jump off my tongue and run away.

I'm thinking you had a cross too. Sometimes a cross can taste good, and sometimes

I got to look at the VHS Cherry vs Riesentraube today, and they are not looking much alike, but time will tell. If I had to make a guess today - VHS is a cross.

Gardeneer · May 12, 2016

From Bud To Ripe Fruit:

Mines has started a cluster of buds.
Any guesstimate as to how long it will take to have ripe tomatoes ?
I have read a tomato time line several years ago that stated it take 52 day.
But that was a beefsteak type. Thanks

Gardeneer

zipcode · May 12, 2016

On average I'd say 45 days from flower to eat in my garden. That's how I anticipate when I will have the first tomato, and it's usually quite accurate (so at least for earlier types).

gdaddybill · May 12, 2016

I wonder if Riesentraube is in the parentage of Jolly. Similar nipple, great taste.

May 11, 2016	#55
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Maybe look again at my post #3 in this thread? In my heirloom book I showed a picture of just one huge truss,I stated that the plants were indet,I said production was high,I described the fruits and the taste as well, which I called an intense flavor,my words now,a true tomato taste. And in that regard I would compare it to Gardener's Delight from Germany,a very very old variety with that same intense tomato taste. In the book appendix I noted that seeds were obtained by Curtis Choplin,an SSE member,from the German Seed bank, Craig L got seeds from Curtis and I got seeds from Craig, and this back in the early 90's. I love it,I really do. Later it was found to be not just a German name but we had it as a german name since the seeds were obtained from the German Seed Bank but it was grown in many European coun tries and in Hungary it was known as Goat's t*t, to describe the nipple at the blossom end. WWW found that it was also known in PA by the 1850's, brought to the USA by some from those countries. And he also said they also used it to make wine,he sent me some, and it was deicious,like a pale sherry. And he gave me the recipe which Craig and I copied to our then international news letter called Off The Vine. There was a fairly recent thread here about Riesentraube and someone was looking for that recipe,and my good friend Neil G in Canada had kept all of his copies of OTV(Off theVine), found that recipe and it's now in my faves. So when someone says bland, tasteless,whatever,that doesn't jibe with the SSE listings, nor my own experience for it and I grew it many times for seed production for my own SSE listings when I was still a listed member . I just checked my 2016 SSE Yearbook to confirm that the listings are still long and in a quick read saw no one who described it as bland or tasteless.. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

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May 10, 2016	#48
zipcode Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Romania/Germany , z 4-6 Posts: 1,582	They are suspiciously small plants, as a seedling it's almost dwarf size but not rugose (a bit darker than usual however). Some clusters of flowers can get in the hundreds of flowers. Only some of them set obviously. Unlike most OP cherries it's very well suited to one stem pruning.

May 10, 2016	#50
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Three of the 5 plants I have are smaller in size than most of the other tomato plants in the garden. One Raisedasnob plant and one VHS cherry are growing larger. Last year, the VHS Cherry grew to four and a half - 5 feet tall. They grew pretty wide.

May 11, 2016	#56
Tracydr Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Laurinburg, North Carolina, zone 7 Posts: 3,207	Carolyn,I'm sure the seeds I had weren't right. I had at least 8 plants and the flavor was very tasteless. This was in AZ,grown with heat and dry,which usually intensified flavor. I would almost call it insipid as even dehydrated it wasn't flavorful. Think bad grocery store cherry stored in the refrigerator.

May 12, 2016	#58
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,919	From Bud To Ripe Fruit: Mines has started a cluster of buds. Any guesstimate as to how long it will take to have ripe tomatoes ? I have read a tomato time line several years ago that stated it take 52 day. But that was a beefsteak type. Thanks Gardeneer

May 12, 2016	#60
gdaddybill Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Burton, TX Posts: 294	I wonder if Riesentraube is in the parentage of Jolly. Similar nipple, great taste.