2009 tomato rankings - OT/split

[carolyn137]

Rose Olena Ukrainian

*****

Camo, what is that?

I ask only b'c I introduced the variety and the name from the day I got the seeds from John Bartkowski, who got them from his neighbor Olena Warshona who was from the Ukraine, has been just Olena Ukrainian which is a deep pink beefsteak and also PL.

I guess it shouldn't bother me so much since I saw on someone's list, I think seeds from Europe, that it had been renamed Warshona Ukrainian by someone..

At the same time I got a great bell pepper which I named Olena Red, that was back in the early 90's, and it's still listed in the 2009 SSE Yearbook.

I know I'm probably seen as being rigid, maybe even picky, about variety names, and it's something that you and I have discussed before. I hate to see original variety names being changed and/or altered and some are, so I guess I plead guilty to all charges having to do with changing or altering variety names.

[camochef]

Carolyn,
It's my failure to hit the spacebar between two different varieties, thanks for pointing it out, I just corrected it. Are you sure you weren't my sixth grade english teacher?

Camo

[camochef]

Originally Posted by Barbee

That's a lot of maters Camo. How many did you plant?

I had two hundred and thirty some odd tomato plants this year, which was too many. Down from last years 256 tomato plants but for whatever reasons it was much more difficult to take care of this year.
Had to replant a number of times due to late frosts, severe wind damage and hail early in the season and then diseases with the cool wet weather later on.
Will be a drastic reduction next year. As well as a much later start!
Camo

[icelord]

Hey Camochef, This is the Icelord. You have some cool stuff! How about a Trade? I can see in your top 10 how the chefs I sell to would probably benifit from that trade, some of the stuff I have is listed in the seeds wanted thread, I have way more than I posted, close to 300 different varieties. But since you already did the tastin thing, I see that as a positive!!!

Dean

[icelord]

Dear Carolyn, Please continue to be picky about names and history, I am still sore over my ignorance that is Amishland!

Dean

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by camochef

Carolyn,
It's my failure to hit the spacebar between two different varieties, thanks for pointing it out, I just corrected it. Are you sure you weren't my sixth grade english teacher?

Camo

Last I knew you and I are about the same age so there's no way I could have been your 6th grade English teacher.

[amideutch]

Hey icelord, this is Amideutch. You have been a member for less than a month and your hitting up everybody for seeds! Cool your jets, get involved in all the aspects of hobby and the seeds will come later. We got six months till planting time except for the folks in the Southern Hemisphere, so chill out. Ami

[camochef]

Icelord,
Sorry, with it being such a poor year in this section of the country for tomatoes, all my seed is spoken for already. possibly some time in the future.
Camo

[camochef]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Last I knew you and I are about the same age so there's no way I could have been your 6th grade English teacher.

OK! no need to remind me as your right as usual!
Camo

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by amideutch

Hey icelord, this is Amideutch. You have been a member for less than a month and your hitting up everybody for seeds! Cool your jets, get involved in all the aspects of hobby and the seeds will come later. We got six months till planting time except for the folks in the Southern Hemisphere, so chill out. Ami

Ami, I happen to agree with you, not just in this particular circumstance, but for anyone who sees what someone else is growing and then either asks outright in a thread or PM's the person.

It's happened to me and I don't like it at all. I like to report on the varieties I grow in terms of sharing information, not seeds, although as you know I'm one, like others, who usually does make a seed offer later in the year.

The way I see it if someone has seeds they want to share with others, either an outright so called free offer as I do, or a trade situation, which I never do, they'll do so by making a seed offer in that second seed forum here at Tville.

There was a time when I almost stopped listing what I was going to grow in a certain season or reporting on the results for just that reason. Now that I think about it I'm sure I did stop doing that for a while. And all b'c of folks asking outright for seeds in a thread or PMing me.

Having said that I do know I have contacted a few folks privately when they have talked about a NEW variety not yet available elsewhere, and that b'c, as you know, being in this walker and having to rely on someone else to do all my gardening I try to grow only varieties new to all or most these days b/c I can grow so few as opposed to the years before 2005 when I was just as "bad" as Camo and many others here in growing hundreds of plants and varieties each year.

let's see now, I'm guilty of getting bent out of shape when variety names are changed or altered, and I'm also guilty of getting upset when some folks ask others who report on their varieties publicly with no intent of indicating those varieties are for sharing. In the seed Forums, yes, but otherwise no.

Gosh, I guess as I age more and more things bother me including tomato politics.

[icelord]

Ami, Thanks for the reprimand you will notice I said trade, you will also notice in my profile I farm for a living.

[amideutch]

icelord, not a reprimand but an observation. I think Carolyn put it in a nutshell. I think after you have been here longer and gotten more involved with TVille you will see where I'm comming from.
Your a farmer and that's great. Maybe you can elaborate more on what you grow and if your organic or non organic and what methods you use in growing your crops. There's more folks thinking about farming and maybe you can pass some of your lessons learned to them.
There are a lot of generous folks here at TVille and I bet if you put camo's top ten in the "Wanted Varieties" you would probably get hits on half of them.
Bottom line is are you here to paticipate or just hit people up for seeds? Ami

[Barbee]

Ice,
Yeah, tell us what you farm. Is it tomatoes? My hubby and I are full time farmers. We are grain farmers and we raise show pigs.

[ddsack]

I have another perspective from Carolyn's.

Ami, I happen to agree with you, not just in this particular circumstance, but for anyone who sees what someone else is growing and then either asks outright in a thread or PM's the person.

It's happened to me and I don't like it at all. I like to report on the varieties I grow in terms of sharing information, not seeds, although as you know I'm one, like others, who usually does make a seed offer later in the year.

The way I see it if someone has seeds they want to share with others, either an outright so called free offer as I do, or a trade situation, which I never do, they'll do so by making a seed offer in that second seed forum here at Tville.

This seems a tiny bit severe a position to take on everyone's behalf. How many of us have never been guilty of PM'ing someone for seeds we craved? It's not a problem for me, probably because I don't post much compared to many people. I have had PM requests - maybe 10-12 total over the years, some from high profile posters. I don't save seed in quantities that I would ever post in the seed trading forum, but I nearly always have enough for a few requests, and I don't mind sharing even without a trade. I think I have actually initiated a request no more than 3 times and once did not get what I requested. No problem. Certainly there is the potential for overuse and abuse as with anything.

I do understand that prolific posters like Carolyn and Ami and others with large inventories, will get way more requests for their hard-to-get varieties than they have time or inclination to deal with, and they have every right to request that they not be contacted for seeds. But still, many of us that don't keep huge seed inventories and don't plan to do official offers anywhere, are perfectly willing to help out a fellow tomato lover by PM. You can always say No. For people that definitely don't want to be contacted, maybe they could add a tag on their signature line, like "No PM's for seeds, please" or the like?

[icelord]

I have a working farm, and raise hay , I have some dairy cows, belgiums,morgans, chickens I raise only heirloom vegtables for market and raise them with compost and shredded leaves! I raise alot of heirloom tomatoes using a trellesing system I usually put in about 2 to 3 thousand plants. I donate alot of stuff to the homeless as there seems to be a growing number here in Northern Mi. I also sell to the local restaurants and at farm markets. I would like to get a giant drip system sooner or later.
I just like to raise the best tomatoes I can! I didn't know I was rubbing people the wrong way, I dont NEED any seeds, I just liked all the cool ones that were posted. I think from now on lurking is the way to go!

Dean