20 primitive cultivars from Tom Wagner

wingnut · October 10, 2011

This is a picture of 20 of the 30 some primitive types grown from Tom's collection. You will notice many have no dormancy and are sprouting at refrigerator temps!

from top to bottom, left to right they are225677 purple, 498171 red, 225677 purple, 320373 red, thunder rose, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 310490 red, 225667 yellow, 320373 red, skagit whitehackle,225689 purple, 225694 red spectacle, 225673 violet fingerling, 473276 deep violet, 225710, 225705 yellow fingerling, 320391 purple, jacobson's golden red bud, phuroro, 473,260 violet.

**Tom Wagner** · October 11, 2011

Hey, Wingnut, thanks for showing the photo. Just for my ease of following the rows per variety/number....I put the names into rows easier to read. The problem I see is....a few of them don't seem right. Might check your records.

Top row 225677 purple, 498171 red, 225677 purple, 320373 red,

2nd row Thunder Rose, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 310490 red, 225667 yellow,

3rd row 320373 red, Skagit Whitehackle, 225689 purple, 225694 red spectacle,

4th row 225673 violet fingerling, 473276 deep violet, 225710, 225705 yellow fingerling,

Bottom row 320391 purple, Jacobson's Golden Red Bud, Phuroro, 473,260 violet

Medbury Gardens · October 11, 2011

I like the look of some of them Doug and that 320370 red w/ yellow eyes,it reminds me of Kowiniwini with the same yellow eyes but purple instead of red.

Which one did you like the most for eating

wingnut · October 11, 2011

Tom you are not reading it right.....example....Jacobsons golden red bud is not in the bottom row, but third row from the top on the far right.

wingnut · October 11, 2011

Richard I have not eaten most of these as I need them for planting, and Tom will be sending some out in his sample boxes. The problem I am faceing is lack of dormancy. I am in the process of putting together my TC lab, so once in-vitro I will have more options. I am planning to put quite a bit of land to potatoes next season, and will need to have alot of tubers/pull starts/ TPS seedlings. Saying that the 225705 yellow fingerling is the best potato I've ever eaten......hands down! So I hope to find others I like as well. Most I've eaten have been "GOOD", but still just a potato in a pretty package.

October 11, 2011

I am new to growing potatoes. But I had a Yukon Gold type of potato that was grown by my neighbor's daughter, and it was hands down better than the red one she grew, and the store-bought Idaho Russet.
I would like to try some of yours Tom if you can point me to a variety that has similar flavor... please.

cesarz · October 12, 2011

Hi Tom,
It should be:

Top Row - 225677 purple, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 225689 purple, 225705 yellow fingerling
2nd Row - 498171 red, 310490 red, 225694 red spectacle, 320391 purple
3rd row - 225677 purple, 225667 yellow, 225673 violet fingerling, jacobson's golden red bud
4th row - 320373 red, 320373 red, 473276 deep violet, phuroro
Bottom Row - thunder rose, skagit whitehackle, 225710, 473260 violet

Cesarz

**Tom Wagner** · October 13, 2011

Thanks, Cesar, for listing the lines correctly.

Talking about flavor....I cooked a tuber of the JACOBSON'S GOLDEN RED BUD a few days ago. It was outstanding even to my long habit of eating different varieties of potatoes. The flesh was a dark orange color and the skin bright red.

I extracted TPS from the berries of this clone and I might list the seed on my website later on.

I have another plot where I have most of the varieties Wingnut has. One of the PI 225677 derived from CHAUCHA CURILLA was sampled and had a good flavor...and was surprised to see it with a unique pattern of blue and light yellow flesh. I had to sample a tuber since I had two kinds of F-1 seed from it. One of the crosses was to Donna Marie...a Skagit Valley Gold cross and that on is an early maturing line with deep yellow/orange flesh with a look like 320370 red w/ yellow eyes.

CHAUCHA CURILLA by the way was collected in a shopkeeper's garden in Colombia back in 1948.

I will list TPS of CHAUCHA CURILLA hybrids this coming winter.

BONSAI_OUTLAW · October 13, 2011

I am new to potatoes. Can someone please take the time to explain what the attraction to these are?

wingnut · October 13, 2011

For me it has been the exciting shapes, colors, and storage challenges they represent. I could do without the storage challenges, but it has motivated me even more to get them in-vitro.

BONSAI_OUTLAW · October 13, 2011

Ah.. I see. So they are kinda like Pringles. You can't have just one. They are lovely. I would love to try them. Maybe in the spring.

John Stewart · October 22, 2011

That's a lovely assortment of spuds! Still looking forward to those sampler boxes next year!
I'm betting at least some of my TPS seedlings derived from 'Chaucha Oca' will also have tuber storage complications as it is also a phureja type.

October 10, 2011	#1
wingnut Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: bald hill area thurston county washington Posts: 312	20 primitive cultivars from Tom Wagner This is a picture of 20 of the 30 some primitive types grown from Tom's collection. You will notice many have no dormancy and are sprouting at refrigerator temps! from top to bottom, left to right they are225677 purple, 498171 red, 225677 purple, 320373 red, thunder rose, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 310490 red, 225667 yellow, 320373 red, skagit whitehackle,225689 purple, 225694 red spectacle, 225673 violet fingerling, 473276 deep violet, 225710, 225705 yellow fingerling, 320391 purple, jacobson's golden red bud, phuroro, 473,260 violet.

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October 11, 2011	#2
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	Hey, Wingnut, thanks for showing the photo. Just for my ease of following the rows per variety/number....I put the names into rows easier to read. The problem I see is....a few of them don't seem right. Might check your records. Top row 225677 purple, 498171 red, 225677 purple, 320373 red, 2nd row Thunder Rose, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 310490 red, 225667 yellow, 3rd row 320373 red, Skagit Whitehackle, 225689 purple, 225694 red spectacle, 4th row 225673 violet fingerling, 473276 deep violet, 225710, 225705 yellow fingerling, Bottom row 320391 purple, Jacobson's Golden Red Bud, Phuroro, 473,260 violet

October 11, 2011	#3
Medbury Gardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Medbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,881	I like the look of some of them Doug and that 320370 red w/ yellow eyes,it reminds me of Kowiniwini with the same yellow eyes but purple instead of red. Which one did you like the most for eating

October 11, 2011	#6
WillysWoodPile Guest Posts: n/a	I am new to growing potatoes. But I had a Yukon Gold type of potato that was grown by my neighbor's daughter, and it was hands down better than the red one she grew, and the store-bought Idaho Russet. I would like to try some of yours Tom if you can point me to a variety that has similar flavor... please.

October 12, 2011	#7
cesarz Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11	Hi Tom, It should be: Top Row - 225677 purple, 320370 red w/ yellow eyes, 225689 purple, 225705 yellow fingerling 2nd Row - 498171 red, 310490 red, 225694 red spectacle, 320391 purple 3rd row - 225677 purple, 225667 yellow, 225673 violet fingerling, jacobson's golden red bud 4th row - 320373 red, 320373 red, 473276 deep violet, phuroro Bottom Row - thunder rose, skagit whitehackle, 225710, 473260 violet Cesarz

October 13, 2011	#8
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	Thanks, Cesar, for listing the lines correctly. Talking about flavor....I cooked a tuber of the JACOBSON'S GOLDEN RED BUD a few days ago. It was outstanding even to my long habit of eating different varieties of potatoes. The flesh was a dark orange color and the skin bright red. I extracted TPS from the berries of this clone and I might list the seed on my website later on. I have another plot where I have most of the varieties Wingnut has. One of the PI 225677 derived from CHAUCHA CURILLA was sampled and had a good flavor...and was surprised to see it with a unique pattern of blue and light yellow flesh. I had to sample a tuber since I had two kinds of F-1 seed from it. One of the crosses was to Donna Marie...a Skagit Valley Gold cross and that on is an early maturing line with deep yellow/orange flesh with a look like 320370 red w/ yellow eyes. CHAUCHA CURILLA by the way was collected in a shopkeeper's garden in Colombia back in 1948. I will list TPS of CHAUCHA CURILLA hybrids this coming winter.

October 13, 2011	#9
BONSAI_OUTLAW Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, West Virginia Posts: 3	I am new to potatoes. Can someone please take the time to explain what the attraction to these are?

October 22, 2011	#12
John Stewart Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweet Home, OR, USA Posts: 10	That's a lovely assortment of spuds! Still looking forward to those sampler boxes next year! I'm betting at least some of my TPS seedlings derived from 'Chaucha Oca' will also have tuber storage complications as it is also a phureja type.