Beautiful Ripe

[Tormato]

Out of the "Ugly Ripe" bin at the local super market, I picked a beautiful pink heart of 12+ ounces. Isn't Ugly Ripe supposed to be Marmande, a heavily ribbed red beefsteak?

What was ugly about it was the taste and texture. Uglier still, was a try at a January fermenation. This tomato had 400+ seeds, which are now drying,
and will soon be available.

Tormato

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Tormato

Out of the "Ugly Ripe" bin at the local super market, I picked a beautiful pink heart of 12+ ounces. Isn't Ugly Ripe supposed to be Marmande, a heavily ribbed red beefsteak?

What was ugly about it was the taste and texture. Uglier still, was a try at a January fermenation. This tomato had 400+ seeds, which are now drying,
and will soon be available.

Tormato

Methinks that someone had their heart in the wrong place b'c I know I've never grown a heart variety that had 400 seeds.

Yes, Procacci bought out the lady in FL who started selling what she called Ugly Ripes, and those were supposedly based on an Italian variety but Procacci said that what they are offering is based on Maramnde with some added flourishes.

I think that there are actually two names, one Ugly Ripe and another similar one that Joe Procacci came up with and was going to Google it but have no time to do so.

it's a nasty story all the way around.

Let us know when the 400 seed heart seeds are ready for distribution. I won't ask here in your thread for 380 of those 400 seeds, b'c that's a no no, so will wait until you do something about it yourself and satisfy myself with the number of seeds that YOU want to send out when you do that distribution in perhaps the trade section where offers with no trades wanted are usually, but not always, placed..

[Tormato]

Carolyn,

I counted them. After throwing out a few under-developed ones, the seed total is 413.

I've never had any tomato from my garden with 400+ seeds. Several years ago, I had a near 2 lb watermelon beefsteak with about 375. I've had just a few other tomatoes, over the years, with around 300.

I'd gladly hand over 380+ of them, for you to send out. However, if the seeds aren't dried down enough, and they happen to get frozen while in the mail, they would likely all be lost. So, in a little while I'll try to post something in the trade area, and mention that a shipment date depends on the weather.

Gary

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Tormato

Carolyn,

I counted them. After throwing out a few under-developed ones, the seed total is 413.

I've never had any tomato from my garden with 400+ seeds. Several years ago, I had a near 2 lb watermelon beefsteak with about 375. I've had just a few other tomatoes, over the years, with around 300.

I'd gladly hand over 380+ of them, for you to send out. However, if the seeds aren't dried down enough, and they happen to get frozen while in the mail, they would likely all be lost. So, in a little while I'll try to post something in the trade area, and mention that a shipment date depends on the weather.

Gary

Ah, so you're trying to get them out for this season, I didn't realize that.

And you know I was only kidding about the 380 seeds, but we are talking about a heart, and hearts have dense flesh and FEW seeds, that's why I made the comments above. Yes, I can see a large beefsteak having hundreds of seeds, but not a heart.

Do you think it might even be a good idea for you to grow some out this season to see if it really is a heart, and if so, then save seeds from the hearty plants to distriubte for next season?

If not, then I think it might be a good idea is you still want to go ahead for this season to mention that they are experimental and you haven't yet grown out those seeds to confirm it is a heart.

You don't know where all those fruits came from, especially the heart one, which may have been possibly mixed in with the other so named Ugly ripe ones. And then there's environmental conditions that can also influence heart shapes, or not, as well.

Sheesh, I'm starting to feel like a downer here and I'm really not, you know how much l like heart varieties, but maybe the older I get I just am more cautious about situations like this.

Am I forgiven for being cautious?

[travis]

I bought some Mexican grown "grape" tomatoes last week. Some of the boxes were filled with little pear shaped, red cherries with a sweet flavor and acid bite. Not bad. The other boxes were filled with a larger, elongated, pink grape shaped tomato with a milder and sweeter flavor. Also nice.

I bought one box of each and both boxes had the identical labels, just that one box was red pears and the other was pink grapes. I saved seeds from the pink grapes. Oh, and they had little pointy blossom tips.

[Tormato]

Maybe I will hold them for a season, to trial them first. I have a few other tomatoes that are in the same boat.

While I released "Kardia Karpos" because I expected some plants to produce PL hearts, I have selections from three other PL "varieties" that may, or may not, produce heart shaped fruit. I won't go into detail, other than to say my 2012 tomato plants will likely have many experimental hearts, both RL and PL.

Gary