Someone got me

[TightenUp]

question - better to let them try and grow out of it (at least the better of the bunch), or give up on my home grown varieties and find a nursery still selling mater plants?

total is 15 plants. at least half are dead.

[JamesL]

Ack! What are bummer. And what is it?
The top pic looks like it could make it.
The rest-
Dar Jones (Fusion_Power) Might still be shipping plants.
http://www.selectedplants.com
Can you find anything local at this point that would be decent?

[TightenUp]

The top pic is the healthiest plant. its actually one of the few grafted plants i have, ordered from burpee. the seeds i started as you can see were much smaller plants.

No clue what was sprayed. this is a secondary garden kinda far from home which i don't visit too often. 1st time here in 2 weeks

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by JamesL

Ack! What are bummer. And what is it?
The top pic looks like it could make it.
The rest-
Dar Jones (Fusion_Power) Might still be shipping plants.
http://www.selectedplants.com
Can you find anything local at this point that would be decent?

I had to check for someone else and Darrel ships until the end of June and explains all, as updated, at his website.

Carolyn

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TightenUp

The top pic is the healthiest plant. its actually one of the few grafted plants i have, ordered from burpee. the seeds i started as you can see were much smaller plants.

No clue what was sprayed. this is a secondary garden kinda far from home which i don't visit too often. 1st time here in 2 weeks

The first one looks like herbicide drift to me but the others don't seem to have the same lesions as to herbicide drift.

What do your other grafted plants look like and are they in that seldom visited garden as well.

What's in the pots you are growing them in? If artificial mix of some kind then that can't be a source of systemic diseases, so the grafted plant is an anomoly since it has no tolerances against foliage diseasdes,

The small ones. Is there any chance they died b;c of lack of rain, or b/c you weren't there to water them? Two weeks of not caring for them could do that since they look withered to me and you don;t know, if rain, how much they got and such small plants need TLC anyway, just as a newborn would..

Carolyn

[TightenUp]

Here in NJ we had plenty of rain. As a backup i did have a soaker hose with a timer which is functioning.

I've had the same set up for yrs. I notified the company that sprayed and they are coming by for inspection

[JamesL]

Ah, so you have a definitive answer that there was spray involved.
I got hit with some Roundup last year and the plants did come out of it.
Mine were all about as big as your first picture.

[TightenUp]

I set out this a.m. and found a nursery. The lady heard my story and just gave me replacement tomatoes as she was going to throw them out after this wknd anyway. i went ahead and bought some of her perennials to be nice

I was able to get Rutgers, Jet Star, sweet 100's and some peppers and cukes

Also a neighbor sold me a few extra bumblebee varieties he had.

Not quite the assortment i started from seed and certainly behind schedule but at least i should get some maters out of this garden.

[kath]

So sorry this happened to you but glad to hear you at least found some replacements- how maddening.

[TightenUp]

almost made me

[b54red]

Those plants don't look like herbicide damage to me. They look like severe iron deficiency. I have that problem every year to some degree or another because my garden has a PH that is too high. When you first see the slight yellowing of the new growth you need to give them a foliar iron supplement and a soil drench with one. I also give mine a dilute vinegar feeding to temporarily lower the PH around the plant. They usually green up nicely unless I wait too long to do it. If the new growth becomes very yellow then it is sometimes too late and it will continue to lighten until it is white and then die. When trying to correct iron deficiency at that late stage the plant will exhibit symptoms of herbicide damage because all the young leaves will become deformed. If they do survive it takes them about a month before new growth looks somewhat normal.

Bill

[feldon30]

I don't see any curling or twisting of leaves which is typical for herbicide drift. I'd check into b54red's diagnosis.

[JamesL]

The first plant pic (yellowing) looks exactly like Roundup (glyphosate) damage. They don't always get crazy twisted like 2 4-D. When they do twist up it looks more like physiological leaf roll.
It does mimic iron deficiency pretty closely though.

[b54red]

I have killed tomatoes by accident with Roundup before and that is not what it looked like. The severe yellowing to almost white of the new growth sure looks like iron deficiency. Roundup usually starts with a slight wilting then yellowing of the whole plant then of course brown and dead. Love it in my pathways but hate it if I get a drift onto something in one of the beds.

Bill

[TightenUp]

Bill

Would you think an iron deficiency would stick it's head up after years of gardening in the same plot and never seeing anything like this? The only amendments added were peat, cottonseed meal, alfalfa meal, and chicken manure