A White Skinned Tomato?

[Starlight]

Is there a tomato that really looks white on the outside? Most I have seen pics of that are supposed to be white are all over the place with color of mainly pale yellow and calling it white.

I know some folks think I am out there and maybe I am, but I try to come up with something different every year for market.

My idea, and yes you can shake your head and say I'm crazy, I'll probably agree, is to graft tomato plants together with football color themes.

Down here the constant rivals are Auburn and Alabama. Ones' colors are orange and blue and AL. is red and white. And then there is GA Bulldogs and the FL Gators which are popular too.

So I'm looking for a white that can be a pale yellow inside, but looks like a white white on the outside if such a tomato exists.

Maybe my idea will work and maybe it won't , but I would like to give it a try.

Got suggestions?

[Cole_Robbie]

My girlfriend is a huge Auburn football fan. We have been to several games.

Great White is the most white-looking white tomato that I have grown.

[LindyAdele]

Some of the ' white' factor, at least for me is the amount of sun a tomato gets. I have grown white tomesol, and snow white, whichare both a very pale yellow. I think compared to other tomatoes they look sufficiently white. Considering this is a big novelty and most people have not grown so-called white tomatoes, so even a very pale yellow would be soecial. But you know your marke.

[FarmerShawn]

I agree with Great White; it's a good one. I also suggest Fantome du Laos, as well as Snow White and Super Snow White cherries.

[Cole_Robbie]

Bama red is more of a brick red than normal tomato red. Orange is easy, but the Auburn blue I think would be hard to do. OSU was a pure midnight blue for me, almost black, but other peoples' I see pictured look more purple. And for what it's worth I don't think OSU tastes very good. The newer blue tomatoes taste better, but all of the ones I have seen are half red or half yellow on the underside that doesn't get sun.

LSU yellow and purple would be another neat one. Geaux for it.

[carolyn137]

I've grown all sorts of so called white varieties, of all sizes, mainly in the past and THE whitest and best tasting, actually does have some taste, is White Queen.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/White_Queen

Some of Tania's pictures look more yellow, but WQ does not turn yellow. Often a photography problem with whites,

It's also good to note that the degree of whiteness for almost all the so called whites depends on the degree of foliage cover as well as the amount of UV that is present, the latter being different in different parts of the country depending on the specific angle of the sun.

Carolyn, who almost forgot to say that it's better to refer to the epidermis color than skin color since it's mainly the epidermis color that determines the skin color and WQ has a clear epidermis, not a yellow one,

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Carolyn, who almost forgot to say that it's better to refer to the epidermis color than skin color since it's mainly the epidermis color that determines the skin color and WQ has a clear epidermis, not a yellow one,

I thought a tomato only had one skin and that was the outer one which would be the epidermis.
Unlike critters that had several layers of skin.
To me skin is easier to spell.

Worth

[FLRedHeart]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

it's better to refer to the epidermis color than skin color since it's mainly the epidermis color that determines the skin color and WQ has a clear epidermis

Originally Posted by Worth1

I thought a tomato only had one skin and that was the outer one which would be the epidermis. Unlike critters that had several layers of skin. To me skin is easier to spell.

In Junior High certain people I remember learned the word epidermis; some ran around frightening unsuspecting victims "Ha ha! I see your epidermis!"

I say tomato skin when the coast is clear, but probably should say "pericarp", in like, "that's a thick skinned tomato"
That's probably splitting epidermal follicles a little and comes off more pithy

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by FLRedHeart

In Junior High certain people I remember learned the word epidermis; some ran around frightening unsuspecting victims "Ha ha! I see your epidermis!"

I say tomato skin when the coast is clear, but probably should say "pericarp", in like, "that's a thick skinned tomato"
That's probably splitting epidermal follicles a little and comes off more pithy

That must have went around in every school I remember it too.

A while back I had a guy so worried that he threw his water out when I told him I saw a meniscus in it.


Worth

[Starlight]

Thanks for all the chuckles. Way to funny. Sure brightened this bitter cold day up.

Thank you for all the suggestions. The Great White is a new one to me, but am going to get a bunch of it to use as the main white. Nice size and glad to know it is good tasting too.

Gonna get a few of the Fantome du Laos too. Sounds interesting and just to see how it compares, plus I like the different sounding name.

The blue is going to be a bit harder to figure out. I had thought about the OSU Blue or maybe the Indigo Blueberries, but I haven't checked yet to see how blue the IB's really is.

Oh ya, can't forget LSU either.

It's also good to note that the degree of whiteness for almost all the so called whites depends on the degree of foliage cover as well as the amount of UV that is present, the latter being different in different parts of the country depending on the specific angle of the sun.

So do I want to have more foliage or less foliage to get a whiter white?

I hope my idea works. I'll have fun at it anyways and if it does, I'll have something new for market plus it would be something different and unique for kids to sell for their football and other sport fundraisers. I love sweets, but am so tired of buying boxes of glazed donuts from the kids. They need a new angle too.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Starlight

Thanks for all the chuckles. Way to funny. Sure brightened this bitter cold day up.

Thank you for all the suggestions. The Great White is a new one to me, but am going to get a bunch of it to use as the main white. Nice size and glad to know it is good tasting too.

Gonna get a few of the Fantome du Laos too. Sounds interesting and just to see how it compares, plus I like the different sounding name.

The blue is going to be a bit harder to figure out. I had thought about the OSU Blue or maybe the Indigo Blueberries, but I haven't checked yet to see how blue the IB's really is.

Oh ya, can't forget LSU either.



So do I want to have more foliage or less foliage to get a whiter white?

I hope my idea works. I'll have fun at it anyways and if it does, I'll have something new for market plus it would be something different and unique for kids to sell for their football and other sport fundraisers. I love sweets, but am so tired of buying boxes of glazed donuts from the kids. They need a new angle too.

You need to have a good foliage cover to shade the fruits so chose a variety that has that, not a wispy finely dissected leaf one.

I know that two folks suggested Great White and yes, I've grown that one as well, but I do hope that you'll still consider growing White Queen as part of you trial.

I was sent Phantom of the Opera, that Fantome one, but never got around to planting the seeds.

Carolyn, who just likes lots of music from Phantom of the Opera and other of Andrew Lloyd Webber's productions.

[Starlight]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

You need to have a good foliage cover to shade the fruits so chose a variety that has that, not a wispy finely dissected leaf one.

I know that two folks suggested Great White and yes, I've grown that one as well, but I do hope that you'll still consider growing White Queen as part of you trial.

I was sent Phantom of the Opera, that Fantome one, but never got around to planting the seeds.

Carolyn, who just likes lots of music from Phantom of the Opera and other of Andrew Lloyd Webber's productions.

So appreciate the help. Thank you for explaining about the foliage coverage to me.

I sure am glad there are folks who know so much about tomatoes and their descriptions and tastes. How you keep it all straight I don't know, just thankful you do.

I googled White Queen and yes that is one to definitely to trial.

But when I googled Phantom of the Opera to see about getting seed, I couldn't find anything with that particular name. Was it renamed Fantome, or am I missing a connection somewhere?

Ella, who just watched Phantom of the Opera on Tv again a few months ago and loves musicals and thinks maybe it would be nice to have a themed section of musical named tomatoes growing.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Starlight

So appreciate the help. Thank you for explaining about the foliage coverage to me.

I sure am glad there are folks who know so much about tomatoes and their descriptions and tastes. How you keep it all straight I don't know, just thankful you do.

I googled White Queen and yes that is one to definitely to trial.

But when I googled Phantom of the Opera to see about getting seed, I couldn't find anything with that particular name. Was it renamed Fantome, or am I missing a connection somewhere?

Ella, who just watched Phantom of the Opera on Tv again a few months ago and loves musicals and thinks maybe it would be nice to have a themed section of musical named tomatoes growing.

I was just playing with words and no, there is no variety called Phantom of the Opera, and you saw where I signed my name that I said I had recieved seeds for Fantome du Laos but had never sown the seeds,

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Fantome_Du_Laos

It's always best to check Tania's wonderful website first since she has individual pages for 4,000 plus varieties, most with pictures, histories where known, seed sources where known etc. She doesn't have seed sources up for 2015 but I'm sure that some places offering it for 2014 still have it and it was Remy who sent me my seeds for Fantome, so if it were me that's where I'd order seeds from, the Sample Seed Shop. And once you go to Tania's Home page, above and to the left of the Fantome page I'm sure there are many others she lists that will appeal to you. Just select Shortcuts on the homepage and see all the ways you can track down varieties. Most of us when we know the name of a variety we're after just choose the alphabetical method.

Just my opinion but I would NOT try OSU, the original or the P20 version at all. They were used for breeding some of the Indigo and Blueberry thises and thatses and most folks can't stand the taste of them,me included.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

[Keen101]

I grew Fantom Du Laos last year. I liked it. But has anyone else noticed how microscopic the seeds are for this variety compared to other tomatos?! They are so small i'm surprised no one has mentioned it before.

[gorbelly]

Wondering whether it would be feasible to "blanch" a "white" variety by covering them with a dark bag of some sort as they develop. Of course, this isn't practical for large quantities, but if you just want to get a few really pale tomatoes to photograph or for a specific occasion or something, it might be worth a try. It might be hard to find a good material--would have to be quick-dry yet thick enough to be opaque.