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Old June 2, 2017   #1
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Default nutrient deficiency or to much nitrogen?

Getting some odd leaf discoloration. My soil test this year showed I only needed nitrogen so I applied cal nitrate at about half the reccommeded amount since I applied compost/manure as well. Only seeing this on a few plants but I'm still worried after last year's debacle.

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Old June 2, 2017   #2
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It's hard to tell this early. It could be magnesium. Cal-Mag or epsom salt might be worth a try.
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got more photos of the rest of the plant?
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Old June 2, 2017   #4
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I can get some but it's only visible on a few leaves.
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Old June 2, 2017   #5
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Are those leaves at the bottom of the plant?
Don't see any nutrient deficiency symptoms. What do the bottom of the leaves look like?
With that stippling pattern, I'd suspect insects or mites on the bottom of the leaves until proven otherwise.
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It actually looks less pronounced now. I've sprayed fungicide 2x and Spinosad once since that pic. I think it's just this variety -New Girl- since the other varieties look fine. Idk here are some more pics.
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I'd figure Mg imbalance due to Ca bump, already balancing. Could trial epsom water spray or include half as much epsom salt as calcium nitrate (gently with some K handy since they can overbalance potassium) or change to saltpeter for N with K.

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Could it possibly be iron deficiency?


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Head scratchers, because everything is the same. Why are there troublemakers when nearly all the others love their accommodations. Mine last year were Moskvich and Rose de BERne.
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That plant has looked crappy and wilty since it was a seedling. I almost didnt plant it but wanted to try the variety. It wont be back next year unless something miraculous happens.
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Sometimes a plant just doesn't thrive while the same variety right next to it will do well.

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Old June 3, 2017   #12
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Sometimes a plant just doesn't thrive while the same variety right next to it will do well.

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I have had and still do have sicky plants next to very healthy, vigorous and productive plants. Actually I have pulled a few of them so far. Some displayed as if there was Phosphorus deficiency, some got some kind of leaf disease ( septoria ?, bacterial spot ? ? ).
As I look at my garden, it is generally in a pretty good shape and I don't worry about some that are not doing so well.
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The blotches in the first pic I have seen many times especially in seedlings in cups before transplant but also in young plants. Cold stress might play a part, or nutrient stress or both. Maybe it is susceptibility to mites. SWAG that orange fruited varieties may be more susceptible? I have some Jaune Flammee waiting for transplant and starting to get this look. There is definitely some insect action in the greenhouse and I have picked the affected leaves periodically, which seems to relieve the plants and stop the stress. Not picking this type of leaf though but watching it with some concern.
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Probably manganese. It's always difficult with these deficiencies, as they influence each other, and the best way is to just have a chelate mixture in the right proportions with all of them in it, and spray when signs appear. This should correct the problem for a while, without leading to any further imbalance in the soil (for actual toxicity to appear one would need to insist quite a lot).

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Old June 5, 2017   #15
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And what would said mixture contain? We just got a ton of rain so the soil shoul be pretty flushed. Ends Wednesday and I'd like to hit them with some fert soon after. I've been using TTF on a 10 day cycle and most plants are loaded with fruit and flowers.
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