Unexpected Leaf Forms

Bitwise Gamgee · April 6, 2007

Greetings Good People,

I have had two unexpected leaf forms in my (6 weeks old) tomato starts.

First, all (6 of 6) of my Lillian's Yellow (from Sand Hill) are regular leaf. I am very careful planting/mapping/labeling; but, I have 32 different varieties started and there is always the chance I messed up!

Is anyone else growing Lillian's from Sand Hill (seed sold for this year)?

Second, one my 4 Russian #117's is Potato Leaf? I'm only putting 2 Russian 117's into the garden ... should one of those be the PL just to see what happens?

Rena · April 7, 2007

I would put them out if you have room.

Tomstrees · April 7, 2007

Did you get them commericially ?

~ Tom

**nctomatoman** · April 7, 2007

Lillian's Yellow is such a good variety, and a regular leaf out of the seeds such a pot luck adventure, that it is up to you to use the space. It could be crossed seed or mixed up seed, but the only way to tell would be to grow it out, save seeds and see if you get a mix of potato and regular next year. If not, it is just a mix up or mistake - either theirs or yours! So, you see, it is really a mystery.

On Russian 117, since it is a regular leaf variety, the potato leaf is either stray seed or mix up as well. So, room for another mystery!?

Bitwise Gamgee · April 7, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomstrees

Did you get them commericially ?

~ Tom

Yes, both the Lillian's and the Russian #117's are from Sand Hill.

Thanks to all for the replies ... I will grow out the "Lillian's?" and the odd "Russian #117?" to see what they become.

- Bitwise

sic transit gloria · April 8, 2007

I, too, have a PL Russian #117, which I received in trade. It is a very healthy looking plant. It will be interesting to see what it is, but I'm disappointed that it won't be true to Russian #117.

Tormato · April 9, 2007

It seems that "evan1" at GW has been growing Russian 117 PL for a few years. Perhaps someone can contact him to see if it's stable, and if the fruit is the same as the regular leaf variety.

Gary

Tomstrees · April 11, 2007

Here is a picture of my RL Lillians from last year ...
Definitely a cross, as it turned out to be bi-color as well ~

Planted two seedlings in a 5-Gallon pot - after photo, was like:
"those leaves aren't the same, lol"

Clusters on the vine:

Bi-Color:

Slicer:

~ Tom

Bitwise Gamgee · April 12, 2007

That is very interesting Tom. Thanks for posting. Where did you get your seeds?

I'm still hoping to hear from someone who has Lillian's from Sand Hill sold this year.

Thanks,
Bitwise

Tomstrees · April 12, 2007

I got them in trade ~

Tom

Bitwise Gamgee · April 12, 2007

Tom, what did your cross taste like?

Thanks,
Bitwise

April 7, 2007	#3
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	Did you get them commericially ? ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

April 7, 2007	#4
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Lillian's Yellow is such a good variety, and a regular leaf out of the seeds such a pot luck adventure, that it is up to you to use the space. It could be crossed seed or mixed up seed, but the only way to tell would be to grow it out, save seeds and see if you get a mix of potato and regular next year. If not, it is just a mix up or mistake - either theirs or yours! So, you see, it is really a mystery. On Russian 117, since it is a regular leaf variety, the potato leaf is either stray seed or mix up as well. So, room for another mystery!? __________________ Craig

April 11, 2007	#8
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	Here is a picture of my RL Lillians from last year ... Definitely a cross, as it turned out to be bi-color as well ~ Planted two seedlings in a 5-Gallon pot - after photo, was like: "those leaves aren't the same, lol" Clusters on the vine: Bi-Color: Slicer: ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

April 12, 2007	#10
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	I got them in trade ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

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April 6, 2007	#1
Bitwise Gamgee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: TN z6 Posts: 103	Unexpected Leaf Forms Greetings Good People, I have had two unexpected leaf forms in my (6 weeks old) tomato starts. First, all (6 of 6) of my Lillian's Yellow (from Sand Hill) are regular leaf. I am very careful planting/mapping/labeling; but, I have 32 different varieties started and there is always the chance I messed up! Is anyone else growing Lillian's from Sand Hill (seed sold for this year)? Second, one my 4 Russian #117's is Potato Leaf? I'm only putting 2 Russian 117's into the garden ... should one of those be the PL just to see what happens?

April 7, 2007	#2
Rena Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Warm Springs, GA Posts: 1,421	I would put them out if you have room.

April 8, 2007	#6
sic transit gloria Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KS 5b/6a Posts: 249	I, too, have a PL Russian #117, which I received in trade. It is a very healthy looking plant. It will be interesting to see what it is, but I'm disappointed that it won't be true to Russian #117.

April 9, 2007	#7
Tormato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MA Posts: 4,971	It seems that "evan1" at GW has been growing Russian 117 PL for a few years. Perhaps someone can contact him to see if it's stable, and if the fruit is the same as the regular leaf variety. Gary