Serenade

chalstonsc · June 9, 2009

I live in hot and humid coastal southeastern location and am considering using Serenade to try to control fungal diseases. Using search, I am not able to find any recent opinions on its effectiveness. Anybody use it regularly and get good results? Thanks.

geeboss · June 9, 2009

I'm using it to combat powdery mildew that is taking over my Peonies leaves and onto the tomatoes leaves. Not sure if Serenade is the answer as I'm only treading water and loosing all the lower leaves to get the PM out of the area. 2nd year I finally get the plants to grow and now disease is my lesson to learn will start spraying next year once the tomatoes are planted in containers. Will follow up once I get a handle on the PM.

George

rsg2001 · June 10, 2009

I've been using Serenade since it was introduced and find it works well as a preventive, not as good if you already have a condition like powdery mildew. I use Serenade in tandem with Messenger. The Messenger (which is not a pesticide but kind of an immune stimulant) is sprayed every three weeks. I usually do Serenade every two weeks although in the hot humid spells a little more often. Together, these two treatments have worked well for me.

amideutch · June 11, 2009

Charlstonsc, If your asking about Serenade I'm assuming you want to go the organic route for disease control which is great. Here is a link to a product that might be what your looking for. also Actinovate which I use also works very well controlling disease. Do a Search here at TVille for Actinovate and here's a link to the other product I mentione. Ami
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=11063

Blueaussi · June 11, 2009

That Messenger looks like a good thing, rsg2001. Thanks for bringing it up.

amideutch · June 11, 2009

Blueaussi, I believe they are no longer maketing Messenger. Ami

aninocentangel · June 11, 2009

Actually, the website says that there's a few carriers for it locally.
Here's the link for looking it up http://www.edenbio.com/garden/index....pper&Itemid=78

Hi CharlestonSC, I think I've commented on your blog in the past, you container garden, yes?
Enjay

rsg2001 · June 11, 2009

Not true that you can't get Messenger. You can get Messenger now from most garden centers -- that's where I usually get it -- and also from the manufacturer, eden biosciences. About the same price. If you want to pay more for it, it is repackaged under the name "Green Guard" from Gardens Alive. Harpin protein.

rsg2001 · June 11, 2009

Actually, I just looked into it and saw that Eden Biosciences just dissolved the company. I will ask around the community and see if anyone's going to pick up the patents for Messenger. If not, I'm heading to a bunch of garden stores and picking up as many of them as I can find because it's an amazing product.

geeboss · June 12, 2009

It appears that Eden Biosciences has had financial difficulties for quite some time. link
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/081112/eden10-q.html
go to Overview --12-- been selling off assest only has rights to distribute product. Dating back to 2006,2007 and finally selling the rights to harpin protien product

Just when you think you've found a solution you have to adjust ....must be like old Tomato Tone and New Tomato Tone. Surely someone will continue their work.

chalstonsc · June 12, 2009

aninocentangel-
I've been around awhile and yes, am into containers since bacterial wilt makes inground tomatoes impossible for me. As you see, I've yet to overcome fungal and bacterial challenges, but I'm trying...and I'll be trying again with another, as yet unsuccessful, attempt at a Fall tomato crop....if you have suggestions for the Fall plants, please do offer....thanks.

rsg2001-
I was born and raised on Long Island in the town that is home to Nathan's....bought some Messenger today, where I got my Serenade also....thanks

Ami-
Looking at the Agri-Fos and Actinovate also....

As you might have guessed, I've decided to declare some war on this stuff...

aninocentangel · June 12, 2009

Charlstonsc,
I'm just up the road from you, in Summerville.
I'm not really good with the fall garden stuff yet, the past few years I've been using up leftover hybrid seeds and otherwise experimenting. Taxi did pretty well in 2007, average flavor but quite reliable, good on burgers. Cherries do well for me in the fall, the paste tomatoes that I've tried faired okay too.
I find that the determinates that tend to ripen all at once work best for me, but I keep trying the big indet slicers in hopes that I find a heat tolerant short season tomato.
This year I'm starting a brown Chocolate Cherokee like tomato we got in an heirloom mix from a friend, Banana Legs, Cream Sausage, Green Sausage, Opalka, hybrids Golden Rave and Viva Italia, and I'm doing a grow out some F2 Campari seeds just for fun.
I can't help picturing a ninja wearing a tool belt with all the assorted mixes and preparations at the ready, guarding the garden against the creeping crud. Thanks for the image lol.

Blueaussi · June 13, 2009

In 2007, life got in the way, and the garden got away from me towards the end of the season. It was December before I got out there and started cleaning up the weeds and dead tomato plants. A bit of color caught my eye, and when I pushed aside the leaves and dried stalks, I found a live tomato vine buried under the debris. And these. In December. It was a Tropic tomato, the seeds came from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange.

salix · June 13, 2009

What a lovely surprise to find. Bet it gave you a real lift. P. S. Love your taste in literature, too!

rsg2001 · June 13, 2009

Chalstonsc, I didn't know that Nathan's was started on Long Island vs Brooklyn! Needless to say, here in NY, no fall crops for us re. tomatoes, however, my tomato garden usually stays up till the end of October, and sometimes November depending on the temperatures. Right now, I'm seeing the first few tomato babies.
Robbin

June 9, 2009	#1
chalstonsc Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: sc Posts: 339	Serenade I live in hot and humid coastal southeastern location and am considering using Serenade to try to control fungal diseases. Using search, I am not able to find any recent opinions on its effectiveness. Anybody use it regularly and get good results? Thanks.

June 11, 2009	#4
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	Charlstonsc, If your asking about Serenade I'm assuming you want to go the organic route for disease control which is great. Here is a link to a product that might be what your looking for. also Actinovate which I use also works very well controlling disease. Do a Search here at TVille for Actinovate and here's a link to the other product I mentione. Ami http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=11063 __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

June 11, 2009	#6
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	Blueaussi, I believe they are no longer maketing Messenger. Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

June 9, 2009	#2
geeboss Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fairfax, VA Z7 Posts: 524	I'm using it to combat powdery mildew that is taking over my Peonies leaves and onto the tomatoes leaves. Not sure if Serenade is the answer as I'm only treading water and loosing all the lower leaves to get the PM out of the area. 2nd year I finally get the plants to grow and now disease is my lesson to learn will start spraying next year once the tomatoes are planted in containers. Will follow up once I get a handle on the PM. George

June 10, 2009	#3
rsg2001 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Zone 6 Posts: 479	I've been using Serenade since it was introduced and find it works well as a preventive, not as good if you already have a condition like powdery mildew. I use Serenade in tandem with Messenger. The Messenger (which is not a pesticide but kind of an immune stimulant) is sprayed every three weeks. I usually do Serenade every two weeks although in the hot humid spells a little more often. Together, these two treatments have worked well for me.

June 11, 2009	#5
Blueaussi Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Zone 8a Posts: 1,205	That Messenger looks like a good thing, rsg2001. Thanks for bringing it up.

June 11, 2009	#7
aninocentangel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: 8a Coastal SC Posts: 251	Actually, the website says that there's a few carriers for it locally. Here's the link for looking it up http://www.edenbio.com/garden/index....pper&Itemid=78 Hi CharlestonSC, I think I've commented on your blog in the past, you container garden, yes? Enjay

June 12, 2009	#10
geeboss Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fairfax, VA Z7 Posts: 524	It appears that Eden Biosciences has had financial difficulties for quite some time. link http://biz.yahoo.com/e/081112/eden10-q.html go to Overview --12-- been selling off assest only has rights to distribute product. Dating back to 2006,2007 and finally selling the rights to harpin protien product Just when you think you've found a solution you have to adjust ....must be like old Tomato Tone and New Tomato Tone. Surely someone will continue their work.

June 13, 2009	#14
salix Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: north central B.C. Posts: 2,310	What a lovely surprise to find. Bet it gave you a real lift. P. S. Love your taste in literature, too!