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February 11, 2012 | #1 |
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mtDNA/cpDNA and choice of male/female parent plant?
In animals, mitochondrial DNA is passed on by the female parent only.
After a good bit of searching, I found that tomato inheritance of organelles (plastids, chloroplasts and mitochondria) is likewise "strictly uniparental-maternal". What are the known traits affected by organelle DNA's in tomatoes, that would affect the choice of maternal parent in a cross? I know there are not a lot of traits governed by the organelle DNA, but some of the plant characteristics like UV-tolerance, metabolic rate, adaptibility to low light conditions, etc. come to mind. Has anyone noticed that these traits are inherited from the female parent in a cross? |
February 11, 2012 | #2 |
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The only trait influenced by chloroplasts i know is the variegation of the leaves (there's a variegated tomato variety)
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February 11, 2012 | #3 |
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I did see that commented in my search. At least it's an easy trait to spot!
I also read, the Cytoplasmic Male Sterility (CMS) gene which is commonly used in hybrid production is of course, passed on exclusively by the female parent. So anybody using a commercial hybrid for a cross would not want to use the hybrid plant as the female parent, to avoid passing on this sterility gene to your cross. (In the F1 product, the CMS gene is over-ruled by using the Restore fertility Rf gene in the nuclear DNA - which has normal segregation). Some of what I read was about corn, but I think the same applies to tomato hybrid production, afaik. So the CMS gene wouldn't be weeded out just by making the offspring male sterile, necessarily. It's possible that the general metabolic traits I was looking for are also over-ruled by more dominant traits in nuclear DNA, I suppose. There seems to be a fair bit of confusion (or should I say, laissez-faire) in the plant world, where genetic material is passed around between chloroplasts, mitochondria, and the nuclear genome. (!) |
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I know that in my long time breeding work resulting in tens of thousands of distinct tomato lines/varieties…that many trace back to a distant matrilineal seed parent. I know the maternal line of my Green Zebra traces back to the 1930’s…but there is no record of its ancestry before that. I suspect many varieties could be traced back to just a handful of varieties. When I cross tomatoes with many dozens of varietal inputs…even a variety with over one hundred varieties in the crossing …only one maternal ancestor carries the mitochondrial genetic information outside of the nuclear genetic material.
I find almost a magical/romantic connection by introducing a new variety into my germplasm bank by using the new variety as a female…I feel the female parent imparts an occasional combining ability that is linked to that maternal cytoplasm. By selfing the hybrid to get to the various filial generations…I am still maintaining that maternal cytoplasmic magic. But as I continue to make crosses with these unique lines, I am invariably using them often as male parents…thus losing that female impact. Green Zebra has been used so many times by me to create new varieties it measures high as an ancestral pollen parent as well as a cytoplasmic parent….no matter how many generations of crosses are made. I have made some notes due to an internet search. I don’t profess to know much about mtDNA…my experience and knowledge is mostly self taught….I had a course of graduate level cytogenetics back 45 years ago but that is literally worthless today. I am including a few links and quotes of links to help others undertand the topic better. There is no central authority for this information…alas. Tomato mitochondrial genome sequence Quote:
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http://www.scientificjournals.org/jo...icles/1058.htm Genetics Today, 1963 p. 242-243 13.94. Some Biochemical and Physiological Properties of Plant ReciprocalHybrids. S. I. Issaev and V. V. Vartapetyan (Moscow, U.S.S.R.) Quote:
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Tom Wagner What is of unbelievable significance is that we have such diversity of tomatoes today, regardless of the limited founder varieties and the limited mitochondrials from those early tomato favorites. Is there a "Eve" tomato line from the Americas? Allow the genome folks to ansswer that to the best of their ability. Last edited by Tom Wagner; February 12, 2012 at 01:01 AM. Reason: spelling |
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February 12, 2012 | #5 |
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Thank you so much for this, Tom. Absolutely fascinating, and very instructive for the choice of the female parent.
About potatoes: Our family spent some years in Colombia SA in the early seventies, where the diversity of potatoes is astounding. It came as a shock to us - our humble farmer lineage on the island had access to a mere handful of varieties, on which we survived for ~ 400 years. I have no doubt that your potato breeding is as exciting as the tomato. |
February 12, 2012 | #6 |
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So, if i want to work with tomatoes like lutescent or variegated or tigerette cherry, I should use them as a maternal parent? I'm going to work with tomatoes as an ornamental plants, I love the way they smell, this is reason nr 1 to grow them, for me. I guess I've made my first cross last year accidently in right way : snow white cherry x f1 from my friend, mom was the sweeter one I hope it will work. I will read very carefully this material that Tom Wagner gave here.. This is very interesting thread, thanks for asking Bower And I will plant some TPS this year, and try to breed some other veggies, so knowing what to do is really helpfull.
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The rin gene study which Tom linked is a good example of this, and I also found another while reading today: the hp or 'high pigment' genes - which are in the nuclear genome and equally distributed by the male or female parent - produce their effects, at least in part, by affecting the gene expression of the chloroplast DNA inherited from the mother. So presumably some differences in that maternal DNA could contribute to the final phenotype result. This study found that the number of copies of chloroplast DNA was increased by the HP gene. So when HP high pigment is expressed, the larger number of chloroplasts (becoming chromoplasts) in the fruit would cause more intense colour in the fruit. http://www.springerlink.com/content/p8f77vyhf1jenbq9/ A second study involving a hp-2 allele also found increased chloroplast size and number was present from early stage of fruit development. http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/145/2/389.full Other than the 'pigment container' chromoplast expression effects, there seems a relatively small potential for fruit colour to be affected by maternal cDNA. Most of the chloroplast DNA is strongly downregulated in ripening fruit, except for one gene (accD) which is involved in fatty acid biosynthesis for the membranes of the chromoplasts which will contain the pigments, according to this article: http://www.plantcell.org/content/20/4/856.full. On the other hand, the majority of colour related genes are in the nuclear genome. There's a good section on colour genetics and pigment chemistry in tomatoes and peppers in this article, which is nicely written in fairly plain english. http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/14/3841.full Another overview of the major colour genes in tomato nuclear genome is found here: www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/tomato/jashs1098.pdf Red/yellow fruit colour is not affected by maternal DNA, according to reciprocal cross results: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=...pt=sci_arttext |
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February 12, 2012 | #8 |
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BOWER,
For someone who just joined this forum, you sure are involving yourself with rather complicated subjects as such as the mtDNA vernacular. That said, one of the reasons I work with maternal parents as a priority is that I am constantly loading up tomato lines with new recessives regardless of the mtDNA phenomenon. Crossing these true breeding clones as the flower parent with hybrids, four way crosses, etc as pollen parents allows me a better handle or looking at the segregates at the F-2 level. That means I treat maternal lines as a starting point and rarely , if ever, worry about the perfect multi-generation maternal line. |
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February 13, 2012 | #10 | |
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To say that I'm struggling with the vernacular is an understatement. I'm not even sure about proper usage of the terms gene/allele/locus in that post, although I do understand what they mean. But what a mess of terms I found out there: cytoplasmic DNA, mtDNA, cDNA, chloroplast DNA, plastome, etcetera. The reason for naming or using them in my post, is not to appear knowledgeable when I'm not, but to make a list of search terms which might make the difference between finding, or not finding, some information that is sought. I have three reasons for making such a long post with comments and links to what I read about a subject in which I have no practical experience. 1.) I hope if I've made errors that an expert here will point em out. I have no shame in that - I just want to learn. 2.) The material I found might be useful to someone else in the forum, so it's good to share the links. 3.) From a purely selfish point of view, making a post with links to resources on the internet is a way of organizing the material I found, so I can return to this thread when I need to re-read some information. If this is not how it works here, and isn't an appropriate use of the forum, let me know. I realize that experts and professionals are busy, and there may be other reasons such as social delicacy, for not boldly correcting a post that is wrong. If that's the case, I will keep my comments to a minimum in future. |
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February 13, 2012 | #11 |
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bower thanks for starting this thread and all your links. While most of it went over my head, I did learn a few things and I think so will some others.
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