Brandywine's

[danielnc84]

out of the different strains of Brandywine which is your favorite? I planted Pink and yellow and Sudduth strain. which are your favorites?

[edweather]

I have good results with Suddeth's Strain. Not sure how well they'd do in NC. I think your Yellow might be your best.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by danielnc84

out of the different strains of Brandywine which is your favorite? I planted Pink and yellow and Sudduth strain. which are your favorites?

Brandywine is pink, so no need to say pink Brandywine.

Yellow Brandywine is not a strain, it's a different variety.

Red Brandywine is not a strain, it's a different variety.

Yes, there are many strains of Brandywine, the Sudduth/Quisenberry is I think the best, then there's the other strains with names like Glicks, and on and on.

I have several good friends in NC, and I guess that would include my brother as well, but I'm thinking of Craig LeHoullier in Raleigh, nctomaoman here, and we've been friends since 1989 and he now grows my plants for me and ships themuphere, then Lee is near Raleigh and he does some seed production for me and has been co-host of Tomatopalooza in thepastalongwithCraig, and then there's Shoe in Efland who does LOTS of seed production for me as well.

All to say that any and ALL of the different Brandywine varieties I noted above do just fine in NC and all of the strains of Brandywine do well too.

Just get them out in time so they set fruit before the hottest part of the summer comes along and you'll be fine and so will they.

Carolyn

Carolyn

[barkeater]

As far as I'm concerned, a Brandywine is a Brandywine is a Brandywine. A strain is just that - someone is "straining" to say the one they grew is better than the original. I've tried 5 different "strains" and they are all the same - which they should be if they aren't crossed. Just because the weather was favorable that year, and your results are much better than the previous year, doesn't change a variety. If the variety is that much different for more than once then it crossed with something, and you can attribute that to the hybrid vigor of crosses. JMHO!

[Virtex]

My standard brandy-wine is 5'3" I love how large the leaves are. Makes me feel like I growing something really majestic.

[camochef]

Having grown hundreds of tomatoes year after year for over 50 years now, Brandywines have been my favorites for quite some time now. My favorites have been Cowlick's Brandywine, Brandywine-Glick's, and Brandywine-Sudduths.
I quit growing Red Brandywines, Yellow Brandywines, Black Brandywines, Purple Brandywines, years ago.
I still grow Brandywine crosses like Liz Birt, Bear Creek, Dora, and Gary O'Sena and Brandywine like types such as Earl's Faux Barlow Jap, Ed's Millenium, and others now and then... but as I reduce my gardens from hundreds each year to a record breaking 23 last year and even less this year, Cowlick's, Glick's, and Sudduth's still top my list.
The past couple years, Liz Birt has been my first to ripen, but many years that honor went to Brandywine -Cowlick's. Which had been my leading Brandywine for about 5 years. The past couple years I think Brandywine-Glick's and Sudduth's have done better.
Over the past 6 years or so, I've sent seed for Cowlick's Brandywine all over the world. it's done amazingly well everywhere. including southern states that used to claim they couldn't grow Brandywines to places like Germany, South Africa, Phillipines, Canada, and elsewhere.
Hope you try a few different ones and that you have good luck with them all, and decide for yourself which does best for you in your location. Most years, I've planted mine out the first week of may...not happening this year! Too much crazy weather, they're calling for severe frost this coming Monday and Tuesday again.
Enjoy!
Camo

[carolyn137]

Mike, I knew when you saw the word Brandywine you'd post, and you did, and thanks, but I do wish you'd post more often, even about non-Brandywines.

Carolyn

[camochef]

Carolyn,
Your so right! Brandywines always get my attention.
I try not to post too often as I don't like getting into disagreements and I can be a little hardheaded when it comes to Brandywines and Brandywine crosses. For years they were one of my best tomatoes. Cowlick Brandywine is still the best producing tomato I ever grew, and for years, Brandywine-Glick's and Brandywine-Sudduth's were a close second and third.
In 2011, Purple Dog Creek jumped out in front as the best tasting tomato, and last year it was the Grafted German Johnson that blew the doors off everything!
Over the years there were hundreds of great tasting tomatoes, many fantastic producers too. As I was determined to reduce the size of my gardens, many have fallen by the wayside. Some have been all but forgotten, like Lillian Maciejewski's Poland Pink or Shannon's South African Mystery Black. Great tomatoes!, but I couldn't keep growing them all without killing myself in the process. I'm sure you can relate.
Then we get a year like this one. Crazy weather They're calling for frost here next Monday and a hard freeze Tuesday. Joyce and Jane have been having snow out in Denver this week. Hail storms all around us here. Sure can be discouraging to an old man. I know, don't say it

Hope you have a good year this year and things improve for us all, very soon.
Enjoy!
Mike

[Cole_Robbie]

Mike, you remind me of myself 20 or 30 years from now. I am just getting the Brandywine bug and have five or six different ones for the first time this year. I also have several Brandywine crosses and other big pink tomatoes. Last year Brandywine was my grandma's favorite tomato that I grew. She just turned 80, her health is starting to decline, and I want her to have every Brandywine there is.

[PaulF]

Camo got me going this year with his love/knowledge of everything Brandywine. On this year's grow list are: Cowlick's, Dora, Gary O'Sena, Earl's Faux (a repeat from several years ago), Black Brandywine, Purple Brandywine and Purple Dog Creek.

Sudduth and Stump of the World (isn't that a Brandy cross?) have always been my favorites.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by PaulF

Camo got me going this year with his love/knowledge of everything Brandywine. On this year's grow list are: Cowlick's, Dora, Gary O'Sena, Earl's Faux (a repeat from several years ago), Black Brandywine, Purple Brandywine and Purple Dog Creek.

Sudduth and Stump of the World (isn't that a Brandy cross?) have always been my favorites.

Paul, pretty please don't use the variety name Purple Brandywine, use Marizol Purple instead, and here's why.

Joe Bratka used to send out a list of varieties and when I saw Purple Brandywine on it I called him ASAP and said WHAT? It turns out that it was another one he bred and was passing it off as an heirloom, b'c he'd said to me in the past if it's heirlooms folks want, I'll breed them.

So I suggested to him, since the parents are Marizol Purple and Brandywine, that he call it Marizol Purple, and he agreed and I think that's what it should be called. Unfortunately he'd already sent some seeds out as Purple Brandywine. But most folks are listing it as Marizol Purple in the SSE Yearbooks and I'm glad for that.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...dywine,_Purple

Which Black Brandywine are you growing? The one that was found as a cross in the fields of Seeds by Design in CA and Linda Sapp at TGS first listed it and then pulled it ASAP b'c when folks started growing it they got two kinds of plants and fruits, or the so called true Black Brandywine introduced by Weaver?

The Sudduth one you mention is one of the so called strains of Brandywine, as in Brandywine ( Sudduth/Quisenberry)

Stump of the World doesn't have any brandywine in it, see below:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...p_of_the_World

We were very glad to see Ben Quisenberry's grandson appear here at Tville a few years ago and there's a thread in the Legacy Forum where he clarified many issues having to do with Brandywine, names, and more.

Hope that helps.

Carolyn

[PaulF]

I got finger heavy when I put in Purple Brandywine. The Purple was supposed to go with Dog Creek. I remember the Marizol discussion. I don't have it. My Black Brandywine came from Tatiana or Sample Seed or Knapps if that narrows it down.

Stump and Sudduth I have grown for many years and they are related .. they came from the Quisenberry stable of very good tomatoes even if they don't share genes.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by PaulF

I got finger heavy when I put in Purple Brandywine. The Purple was supposed to go with Dog Creek. I remember the Marizol discussion. I don't have it. My Black Brandywine came from Tatiana or Sample Seed or Knapps if that narrows it down.

Stump and Sudduth I have grown for many years and they are related .. they came from the Quisenberry stable of very good tomatoes even if they don't share genes.

Yes related as being introduced by Ben Quisenberry and no, they don't share genes.

For anyone interested here's the thread from the Legacy Forum where Ben's grandson showed up and helped clarify some of the realtionships,it's a good read IMO:

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=7544

Carolyn

[amideutch]

Might be of interest. Ami

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...light=Cowlicks

[dice]

"Pink" Brandywine is simply Brandywine. It should be more
or less identical with Brandywine (Sudduth's). Maybe a little
more fruit and more consistent fruit with Sudduth's, but that
is a fine line, as Barkeater suggested.

Yellow - unrelated
Red - unrelated
Black - First, there are two different ones, and second, the first one
was unstable when it came on the market. There is no knowing what
you'll get from a given vendor until you grow it, nor what genetic
connection it may have to actual Brandywine.

Victory Seeds keeps a copy of nctomatoman's summary from
a few years ago posted:
http://www.vintageveggies.com/inform...randywine.html

Cowlick's was discovered after nctomatoman's summary was
written. Ed's Millenium is a Brandywine selection from somewhere
in California (Santa Clara? anyway, ...). Brandywine from Crotia
is a big pink tomato from Crotia that "seemed a lot like
Brandywine". Earl's Faux is a "not Red Brandywine" that has
comparably good flavor and perhaps more consistent production
than Brandywine.