Brandy Boy Seeds/Plants

TomatoDon · February 21, 2006

Brandy Boy is the only one on my 2006 grow list that I can't find seeds for. Are they usually for sale at Wal Mart, Home Depot, and Lowe's? If not, where could I find Brandy Boy seeds? I'd offer to trade for them, but I don't have anything to trade with yet.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Oh...and can you trust the super stores to have true varieties/seeds of these Heirloom types, or should I seek a specialist for these?

Don

Suze · February 21, 2006

http://www.tomatoville.com/viewtopic...ght=brandy+boy

You'd have to check with him via PM to see if the offer still stands...

TomatoDon · February 21, 2006

Thanks Suze,

I think he had me confused with another Don. I haven't seen the seeds at Wally World yet. I assume if I do, they will be true to variety. I was a little concerned about that. I'll check again this week, looking for the Burpee label. Will keep you posted.

Thanks!

Don

**Mischka** · February 21, 2006

Brandy Boy is a Burpee F1 hybrid exclusive; therefore if they are packaged in a packet from Burpee you can be reasonably sure that they are indeed, Brandy Boy. :wink:

As Carolyn will tell you, Burpee is run by a fanatically anti-OP/heirloom man named George Ball. George also commissioned the development of Buck's County; another brandywine-related hybrid. (tasted like crap to me each of the 3 times I grew it)

It seems hypocritical for someone who's so anti-OP/heirloom to use (and advertise) the worlds' most well-known heirloom variety every time he conjures up a new hybrid to sell.

(do I hear cash register bells ringing?)

TomatoDon · February 21, 2006

M, sounds like you have faith in the Burpee labeling of Brandy Boy. I've heard some mention here that the tomatoes they grew from seed looked nothing like the package photo, or met the description. I was just concerned about buying the Heirloom types from the mass marketers. I think I have you correct by believing that Brandy Boy is not an Heirloom. I'll get this Heirloom stuff right one of these days! In the mean time, it's fun learning!

Thanks M!

Don

Mantis · February 21, 2006

Brandy Boy is a hyrid Don but some think it grows true from saved seed. I have some F2 seeds but have not grown them to see what comes of it.

jerseyjohn61 · February 21, 2006

Don, I still have a pack to spare if you need them. Was just gonna' put the 'puter and me to bed when I saw this posting. Drop me a line and they are your....JJ61

**Mischka** · February 21, 2006

Don,

Yes, Brandy Boy is not an heirloom tomato variety.

It is an F1 hybrid developed i.e. bred using Brandywine (worlds' most famous heirloom variety) as one of its parents, as Burpee claims.

Seed saved from Brandy Boy will not come true in the F2 generation, as it is with all hybrids.

There are no hybrid (F1) heirlooms. :wink:

All heirlooms are open-pollinated varieties.

All open-pollinated varieties are not designated heirlooms.

I'll let others explain in better detail. LOL. I'm tired.

TomatoDon · February 21, 2006

M? Are you sure you want to start this? lol....you know how I am...very new to Heirlooms and very curious and interested. I could chew the fat with you and C and C a looooong time about breeding, F1, F2, etc.

I didn't know till I met y'all that a tomoto can cross pollinate, but it doesn't show up till next years seed. I thought it was like corn, and would change the fruit at the instant cross pollination occured.

I would assume that experts like you and Carolyn and Craig and Suze and Fusion and many others here have probably crossed your own unique strains? Boy, I can see where this is leading!

One of my goals in life is just to be a good and simple gardener. I better stay out of the breeding world for now. But I can't resist learning about this. What is the hybrid cross that made Brandy Boy?

I have trouble understanding this, too. Is "Brandywine" the Sudduth Pink? When people just say "Brandywine" is that what they are referring to? I've asked that before, but still can't really understand the true ways to term the Brandywines. I'm trying to stay away from the seed catalogs and web sites now and learn it from the real tomato people here.

I think one of the most striking things I've seen here is when C said she let her plants sprawl. I thought that would ruin nearly all the fruit. Obviously not.

I've learned more new and different things about tomatoes in 30 days than in the last few years. Great new stuff. As I've said before, I thought all you did was dig a hole and plant a Better Boy.

Remember, my 2006 grow list can exclusively from input here, and of the 16 on my list now, 14 are those I've never grown or seen. I'm being like a good Southern Baptist. Taking it all on blind faith!

Don

markferon · February 21, 2006

Brandywine is a pink tomato with potato leaves. The sudduth strain which some believe is the only true brandywine is a pink tomato with highly rated taste . Most of the other brandywines took their name from original, do to it's well known name and may have no relation to the original at all.

There are tomatoes with brandywine their name, that are red, pink, yellow and black to name few. There may even be green when ripe and white if the madness that is brandywine continues.

The best thing to do is find a source for brandywine sudduth strain and try not to burn your brain out trying to understand the rest of the brandywine mess.

If I ever have the time to breed a tomato for extreme size, which I have had the notion to do. You can count on one thing "brandywine" will not be in the name.

TomatoDon · February 21, 2006

Good idea mark. Don't associate your breeding strains with the name "Brandywine."

But when you do get that super giant potato leaf tomato that reaches the top of the charts, based on scientific analysis, using a cross-over double-blind study, I'm sure we will be the first to want to plant it. Keep us posted on your progress.

Don

WildLife · February 21, 2006

hello,
I can finially contribute something.
Last week is was at wally world and the burpee slection was just put out.
I found Mort Lift
Brandywine (pink)
Red Brandywine
Big Boy
Better Boy
I looked hard but no BrandyBoy. I really wanted
some seeds from the Brandy Boy.
I don't know why but it wasn't there and Brandywine
Pink was.
Wild "soooo close" Life

bcday · February 21, 2006

WildLife, try again in a week or two. Our WalMart didn't set up all their seed racks at the same time. Also the Brandy Boy wasn't on the same rack with the Big Boy, Better Boy, etc. It was on a separate rack with other $1.34 'Burpee Select' varieties.

MikeInCypress · February 21, 2006

Here in Texas the Brandy Boys have been in the Burpee Select section of the Seed racks. $1.34 a pack. Packaged for the current season. Mine have been as advertised. A tasty over one lb. Pink Potato Leafed Tomato. Will grow it every year. It is one of my top five.

Michael

lumierefrere · February 21, 2006

The Oneonta NY WalMart has had Brandy Boy since the beginning of Feb. $1.34. I don't know if that means there are less seeds in the pack as compared to the catalog pack or not but it's sure a savings over sending for them.

Barb

February 21, 2006	#1
TomatoDon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MS Posts: 1,523	Brandy Boy Seeds/Plants Brandy Boy is the only one on my 2006 grow list that I can't find seeds for. Are they usually for sale at Wal Mart, Home Depot, and Lowe's? If not, where could I find Brandy Boy seeds? I'd offer to trade for them, but I don't have anything to trade with yet. Any advice will be appreciated. Oh...and can you trust the super stores to have true varieties/seeds of these Heirloom types, or should I seek a specialist for these? Don __________________ Zone 7B, N. MS

February 21, 2006	#3
TomatoDon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MS Posts: 1,523	Thanks Suze, I think he had me confused with another Don. I haven't seen the seeds at Wally World yet. I assume if I do, they will be true to variety. I was a little concerned about that. I'll check again this week, looking for the Burpee label. Will keep you posted. Thanks! Don __________________ Zone 7B, N. MS

February 21, 2006	#4
Mischka Tomatoville® Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Bay State Posts: 3,207	Brandy Boy is a Burpee F1 hybrid exclusive; therefore if they are packaged in a packet from Burpee you can be reasonably sure that they are indeed, Brandy Boy. :wink: As Carolyn will tell you, Burpee is run by a fanatically anti-OP/heirloom man named George Ball. George also commissioned the development of Buck's County; another brandywine-related hybrid. (tasted like crap to me each of the 3 times I grew it) It seems hypocritical for someone who's so anti-OP/heirloom to use (and advertise) the worlds' most well-known heirloom variety every time he conjures up a new hybrid to sell. (do I hear cash register bells ringing?) __________________ Mischka One last word of farewell, Dear Master and Mistress. Whenever you visit my grave, say to yourselves with regret but also with happiness in your hearts at the remembrance of my long happy life with you: "Here lies one who loved us and whom we loved." No matter how deep my sleep I shall hear you, and not all the power of death can keep my spirit from wagging a grateful tail.

February 21, 2006	#5
TomatoDon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MS Posts: 1,523	M, sounds like you have faith in the Burpee labeling of Brandy Boy. I've heard some mention here that the tomatoes they grew from seed looked nothing like the package photo, or met the description. I was just concerned about buying the Heirloom types from the mass marketers. I think I have you correct by believing that Brandy Boy is not an Heirloom. I'll get this Heirloom stuff right one of these days! In the mean time, it's fun learning! Thanks M! Don __________________ Zone 7B, N. MS

February 21, 2006	#8
Mischka Tomatoville® Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Bay State Posts: 3,207	Don, Yes, Brandy Boy is not an heirloom tomato variety. It is an F1 hybrid developed i.e. bred using Brandywine (worlds' most famous heirloom variety) as one of its parents, as Burpee claims. Seed saved from Brandy Boy will not come true in the F2 generation, as it is with all hybrids. There are no hybrid (F1) heirlooms. :wink: All heirlooms are open-pollinated varieties. All open-pollinated varieties are not designated heirlooms. I'll let others explain in better detail. LOL. I'm tired. __________________ Mischka One last word of farewell, Dear Master and Mistress. Whenever you visit my grave, say to yourselves with regret but also with happiness in your hearts at the remembrance of my long happy life with you: "Here lies one who loved us and whom we loved." No matter how deep my sleep I shall hear you, and not all the power of death can keep my spirit from wagging a grateful tail.

February 21, 2006	#2
Suze Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 3,027	http://www.tomatoville.com/viewtopic...ght=brandy+boy You'd have to check with him via PM to see if the offer still stands...

February 21, 2006	#6
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	Brandy Boy is a hyrid Don but some think it grows true from saved seed. I have some F2 seeds but have not grown them to see what comes of it.

February 21, 2006	#7
jerseyjohn61 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central New Jersey Z/6 Posts: 554	Don, I still have a pack to spare if you need them. Was just gonna' put the 'puter and me to bed when I saw this posting. Drop me a line and they are your....JJ61

February 21, 2006	#10
markferon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 68	Brandywine is a pink tomato with potato leaves. The sudduth strain which some believe is the only true brandywine is a pink tomato with highly rated taste . Most of the other brandywines took their name from original, do to it's well known name and may have no relation to the original at all. There are tomatoes with brandywine their name, that are red, pink, yellow and black to name few. There may even be green when ripe and white if the madness that is brandywine continues. The best thing to do is find a source for brandywine sudduth strain and try not to burn your brain out trying to understand the rest of the brandywine mess. If I ever have the time to breed a tomato for extreme size, which I have had the notion to do. You can count on one thing "brandywine" will not be in the name.

February 21, 2006	#12
WildLife Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach, Calif Posts: 144	hello, I can finially contribute something. Last week is was at wally world and the burpee slection was just put out. I found Mort Lift Brandywine (pink) Red Brandywine Big Boy Better Boy I looked hard but no BrandyBoy. I really wanted some seeds from the Brandy Boy. I don't know why but it wasn't there and Brandywine Pink was. Wild "soooo close" Life

February 21, 2006	#13
bcday Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY z5 Posts: 1,205	WildLife, try again in a week or two. Our WalMart didn't set up all their seed racks at the same time. Also the Brandy Boy wasn't on the same rack with the Big Boy, Better Boy, etc. It was on a separate rack with other $1.34 'Burpee Select' varieties.

February 21, 2006	#14
MikeInCypress Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 963	Brandy Boy - Burpee Select - Walmart Here in Texas the Brandy Boys have been in the Burpee Select section of the Seed racks. $1.34 a pack. Packaged for the current season. Mine have been as advertised. A tasty over one lb. Pink Potato Leafed Tomato. Will grow it every year. It is one of my top five. Michael

February 21, 2006	#15
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	The Oneonta NY WalMart has had Brandy Boy since the beginning of Feb. $1.34. I don't know if that means there are less seeds in the pack as compared to the catalog pack or not but it's sure a savings over sending for them. Barb