stupice greenhouse variety (supicke sklenikove)

[spitfire]

I live in the UK, in the North where the weather is not that good for growing tomatoes. I grew Stupice field for a few years and it was a favourite because it could ripen early with very little sun. I had heard about Stupice greenhouse (Sklenikove) variety and contacted Vladimir (Mr Big 46) and asked him if he knew where I could get some. He said they were very hard to find and not commercially available anymore. But he searched for some and sent me some seeds late last year. I grew them and now they are producing some nice large fruit (3.7 oz) which ripens quickly and seems about twice the size of Stupice field. Just want to say thanks to Vladimir for kindly finding these seeds for me. wanted to include some pictures but they wont upload for some reason

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by spitfire

I live in the UK, in the North where the weather is not that good for growing tomatoes. I grew Stupice field for a few years and it was a favourite because it could ripen early with very little sun. I had heard about Stupice greenhouse (Sklenikove) variety and contacted Vladimir (Mr Big 46) and asked him if he knew where I could get some. He said they were very hard to find and not commercially available anymore. But he searched for some and sent me some seeds late last year. I grew them and now they are producing some nice large fruit (3.7 oz) which ripens quickly and seems about twice the size of Stupice field. Just want to say thanks to Vladimir for kindly finding these seeds for me. wanted to include some pictures but they wont upload for some reason

As a followup Vladimir has sent all four Stupike's to Tania and she is selling seeds for them

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...rom=S#mw-pages

There was a lot of initial misinformation on how the one most call Stupice got to the US, but that was figured out quite a while ago.

I have grown one field and one greenhouse one seeds in commercial seed packs from a friend in Europe,this many years ago,and I saw no difference, small round red fruits,but then the greenhouse one was grown outside.

Carolyn

[MrBig46]

Two years I dealt with the history and cultivation of tomato, which is in the world called Stupice.
On this place, I want to introduce all with what I found out.
It is an undeniable fact that tomatoes, which are named after the village of Stupice (breeding station was in this village abolished in 1952) was bred by J. Homola.
For crossing he used three geographically distant varieties (Mikado x Sláva Porýní) x Solanum racemigerum. It grew up many forms tomatoes from this cross. The subsequent selection of and severalyears-stabilization was directed in two directions:

1.To breed a tomato for outdoor growing with very early maturing fruit. The result was a tomato Stupické polnéí rané (in the world known as Stupice and in more recently also as Moravský Div).
The variety was approved in 1955 (by an independent body ÚKZÚZ !!!) and was included into the Varietal Book, where this comercial tomato is to today. It is maintained by several Czech companies. Last sixty years, the seeds are commonly available in colored bags in all stores that sell vegetable seeds in Czechoslovakia.
2.
To breed lush indeterminante tomato for the cultivation on one stalk in the ghreenhouse with options of heating. The result was tomato Stupické skleníkové, approved in 1954 ( also to this day given in Varietal Book). Seeds maintains only company Sempra Praha and sells them ( as weighted- at least 1 g in a single store 120 km away from Brno. I have no news, That's why I had a problem with ensuring of seeds for my friend Spitfire. I have no news, that this variety is grown in the world as an early Stupické polní rané.

No other tomato named Stupice been bred !!

Stupické polní rané and Stupické skleníkové are completely different odrůdy- otherwise they would not even be recognized as both varieties (one of the conditions for the recognition of new varieties is a divergence from existing varieties which assesses ÚKZÚZ). Both varieties have a potato leaf, the fruits are red and have the same taste. That's where the similarity ends.¨

- tomato Stupické polní rané is a half-height, sometimes referred to as semi-determinate, can be grown as a bush, plant is weak, fruits small to medium, round, smooth, immature brindle around the stem. The first fruits are sometimes ribbed. Prone to cracking.
-tomato Stupické skleníkové has a high luxuriant growth (indeterminante), the fruits are twice large as Stupice, rounded, smooth, always with only two chambers, with darker brindle, early, with high-quality fruit to the market. It is grown in greenhouses to speed up the harvest, but can be grown outdoors.

About acquaintance varieties Stupické polní rané in the worldwide deserved Milan Sodomka. He was interested in the American magazine (everything American was with us behind the Iron Curtain at the time in 1974 either banned or at least inappropriate). We each wanted the forbidden fruit. Milan Sodomka went to the store bought tomato seeds for commercial, which was available at the time and sent them to the US along with a request for the magazine. Long name someone edited for easier Stupice (still to Americans about the unspeakable word) .
Vladimír

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

Two years I dealt with the history and cultivation of tomato, which is in the world called Stupice.
On this place, I want to introduce all with what I found out.
It is an undeniable fact that tomatoes, which are named after the village of Stupice (breeding station was in this village abolished in 1952) was bred by J. Homola.
For crossing he used three geographically distant varieties (Mikado x Sláva Porýní) x Solanum racemigerum. It grew up many forms tomatoes from this cross. The subsequent selection of and severalyears-stabilization was directed in two directions:

1.To breed a tomato for outdoor growing with very early maturing fruit. The result was a tomato Stupické polnéí rané (in the world known as Stupice and in more recently also as Moravský Div).
The variety was approved in 1955 (by an independent body ÚKZÚZ !!!) and was included into the Varietal Book, where this comercial tomato is to today. It is maintained by several Czech companies. Last sixty years, the seeds are commonly available in colored bags in all stores that sell vegetable seeds in Czechoslovakia.
2.
To breed lush indeterminante tomato for the cultivation on one stalk in the ghreenhouse with options of heating. The result was tomato Stupické skleníkové, approved in 1954 ( also to this day given in Varietal Book). Seeds maintains only company Sempra Praha and sells them ( as weighted- at least 1 g in a single store 120 km away from Brno. I have no news, That's why I had a problem with ensuring of seeds for my friend Spitfire. I have no news, that this variety is grown in the world as an early Stupické polní rané.

No other tomato named Stupice been bred !!

Stupické polní rané and Stupické skleníkové are completely different odrůdy- otherwise they would not even be recognized as both varieties (one of the conditions for the recognition of new varieties is a divergence from existing varieties which assesses ÚKZÚZ). Both varieties have a potato leaf, the fruits are red and have the same taste. That's where the similarity ends.¨

- tomato Stupické polní rané is a half-height, sometimes referred to as semi-determinate, can be grown as a bush, plant is weak, fruits small to medium, round, smooth, immature brindle around the stem. The first fruits are sometimes ribbed. Prone to cracking.
-tomato Stupické skleníkové has a high luxuriant growth (indeterminante), the fruits are twice large as Stupice, rounded, smooth, always with only two chambers, with darker brindle, early, with high-quality fruit to the market. It is grown in greenhouses to speed up the harvest, but can be grown outdoors.

About acquaintance varieties Stupické polní rané in the worldwide deserved Milan Sodomka. He was interested in the American magazine (everything American was with us behind the Iron Curtain at the time in 1974 either banned or at least inappropriate). We each wanted the forbidden fruit. Milan Sodomka went to the store bought tomato seeds for commercial, which was available at the time and sent them to the US along with a request for the magazine. Long name someone edited for easier Stupice (still to Americans about the unspeakable word) .
Vladimír

Vladimir,what you wrote above is about the same you wrote for Tania,for which all of us are pleased about and I've given her link before and here it is again..

Here's just the Stupice one, with the 4 Stupikes you also described for Tani

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stupice

I linked to this one above b/c you asked how the name Stupice came about.

First,on page 222 of my tomato book I had mentioned Milan Sodomka,and who he was b'c back then I was in regular contact with Kees Sahin in the Netherlands, he of Sahin Seeds, and asked him how to pronounce Stupice, and Kees was Czech,his wife was not, and he told me how to pronouce it and that's on page 222 of my book, and this was back in 1999.

Back to Tania's link.

If you look there you'll see she has a link to the original letter that Milan Sodomka sent and here's that link

http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/h...he-1187046.php

What confuses me is that Sodomka says he's sending seeds for all 4 Czech ones plus the bushones, and to Organic gardening,not Abundant life, but Kees Sahin said that Sodomka was sending those seeds to many places as well.

It's also very possible that Organic Gardening sent the seeds to Abundant Life.

When my book came out there were several who said that the pronunciation of Stupice was wrong, but if I got that information from someone who was Czech, I believe it.

Unless there were various pronunciations words in different areas at the time.

Did you notice that I didn't say anything about the change from Stupike to Stupice?

That's b/c I don't know and I don't think it would have been Sodomka,who was also Czech,so who knows where and when and by whom.

Sounds like a good mystery and maybe I'll write a book of fiction,based loosely on what we know was fact.

Carolyn

[spitfire]

here are a few pictures, I hope they load up ok

[spitfire]

ah yes, so they have. bit big and not the right way up but you get the idea.

That's a peach next to the tomato for comparison. I started the stupice greenhouse and stupice field seeds at the same time (feb 14) and the field variety also grown in the g/h were ripe 2 weeks before the stupice greenhouse variety. The g/h variety are atleast twice as big if not 3 times as big. The plants are also a lot bigger. one fault with the g/h variety is that the truss stem was not strong enough to hold the weight of the tomatoes and I had to tie the tomato truss up so it wouldn't kink and cut off the food supply to the toms. The great thing about both these varieties is they have this ability to ripen with only the suggestion of sunshine. My g/h is up against a high hedge, under a tree and only gets sun in the morning yet my toms were ripening by mid july and for my location that is really good.

[Gardeneer]

Two years ego I grew one. I bought the plant from a vendor.
What is striking was that tomatoes looked like a plum, with a narrow channel running from the stem end and disappearing at the blossom end. Your second picture also shows that feature.
The fruit grew on long clusters like most cherry tomatoes.

[RJGlew]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

On this place, I want to introduce all with what I found out.

Thank you Vladamir - it is excellent to have your clarity on this fine variety.

rg

[MrBig46]

From a letter by Milan Sodomka: „I am enclosing four varieties of our Czechoslovak tomatoes and two East German bush varieties which proved here very well. And one Bulgarian variety too“.
What varieties of tomatoes he could send? Only those whose seeds could in 1976 to buy in the store. At that time stores only had these seeds of tomatoes:
Stupické polní rané, Stupické skleníkové, Sláva Porýní, Olomoucké nízké, Imun and Vrbičanské nízké.
Milan Sodomka sent:
Stupice…. ..Stupické polní rané
Olmovic………Olomoucké nízké
Czech bush….Imun
Urbikany……..Vrbičanské nízké
All these varieties are TatianaTOMTObase listed as Czechoslovakia, even for the three is listed Milan Sodomka.
Last year I grew Czech´s bush and Olmovic (seeds from Tania) and they correspond exactly to the descriptions of tomatoes listed in the Czech gene bank under Czech names Olomoucké nízké a Imun.
At the moment Urbikany is for me the most interesting tomato which was bred specifically for the hotbed by J.Homola. For 2017 I ordered seeds (determinante) in England in PWS.

Urbikany je pro mne momentálně nejzajímavější rajče, vyšlechtil je J.Homola speciálně pro pařeniště. Pro rok 2017 semena mám objednaná v Anglii v PWS.
Vladimír

[MrBig46]

Another tomato from a cross ( Mikado x Sláva Porýní) x Solanum racemigerum of East Germany:

TAMINA
Very early indeterminace variety (someone even wrote that earlier than Stupice), potato leaf, fruit red, round, only two loculesl (unlike Stupice never has a yellow collar aqround stopwatch), 60-90 g ( little minority by me, all fruits about 50 g), taste very good, but other than Stupice. The seeds I got from Aunt Jane

[carolyn137]

TAMINA
Very early indeterminace variety (someone even wrote that earlier than Stupice), potato leaf, fruit red, round, only two loculesl (unlike Stupice never has a yellow collar aqround stopwatch), 60-90 g ( little minority by me, all fruits about 50 g), taste very good, but other than Stupice. The seeds I got from Aunt Jane

.... wrote Vladimir

Who wrote the description above and who got seeds from Aunt Jane?

I guess I'm not understanding since Tania says that Matina and Tamina are the same and from Germany. I know I've grown both but right now can't remember the possible differences, if any.


Carolyn

[MrBig46]

Tamina is certainly from DDR, information about breeding and selection were well known in the Czech Republic ( exchange nformation between the countries of the former eastern block). Matina is probably from BRD, the name looks like an anagram Tamina. It will be probably best buy seeds and grow them together.
Vladimír

[RJGlew]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

...the name looks like an anagram Tamina...
Vladimír

Astute observation - well done.

[Andrey_BY]

Tamina=Matina=Yablonka Rossii (aka Russian Appletree). I've tried all of them.

And I'm still into an idea that there were 4 original Stupicke strains and I even have posted a link to one Czech seedbank with all 4 strains mentioned in their list.

Stupicke tomatoes have been quite popular in USSR among amateur gardeners and professionals, but Soviet breeding stations din't like to use Stupicke as a parent variety since they prefer to breed mostly RL tomato varieties in more than 90% of cases.

[Gardeneer]

As I have mentioned before, I grew some strain of Stupice in 2014. It had long clusters like cherry tomatoes. The fruit size were on the cherry size and it got smaller toward the end of cluster.
Two weeks ago I bought some from farmers market that the seller said it was Stupice. I tasted them. Was good but with a lot of seeds. I liked the taste and the size was also varied.

see in this picture.
FM- 8-2-mishung.jpg

It seemed to me that these wer different from what I grew before. So I have saved seeds and intend to grow next year.