Historical background information for varieties handed down from bygone days.
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Yet another variety of tomato that I bred up and forgot about. I had talked with Ken Ettlinger of the Long Island Seed Project and he reminded me that he obtained tomato seed from me near 25 years ago. His website write up was interesting in the fact that Ken thought that Green 'n Gold was a sister line of Green Zebra. No where close. The closest relative that is out there is Lime Green Salad also from my breeding work. The fruit is described as green inside, yellow on the outside.
I could find the pedigree on this line, but that will come when I dig through a mountain of boxes. I have kept everything relating to my crosses over the last 55 years and the boxes of documents, old seed, seed request letters, pedigree books, numbers beyond counting. It would be fun to compile a directory of everyone who requested those mimeographed copies of the Tater Mater Seeds Catalog. It would be a historical document of who was who then in tomato collection. Since this variety is a yesteryear tomato to me, I wondered if anyone has grown it? Tom Wagner |
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Since this variety is a yesteryear tomato to me, I wondered if anyone has grown it?
***** What yesteryear means to you and what most of the info here is about is different. Heck you're not that old. LOL Tom, I picked up some SSE Yearbooks at random off the floor and it was listed in the mid 90's up to 2002 by a few listed members and I'm sure inbetween, and two folks list it in the 2007 Yearbook, and all folks list it as Gold 'n Green, not the reverse as you have it. One lister says he got his seeds from CV Lon in 1993, but off hand I don't remember what company that referred to. Your name is not associated with those listings for Gold 'n Green that I saw and I guess all these years I just whizzed by it when reading and didn't know it was one you had bred. Had their sources mentioned your name they would have repeated it, but apparently they didn't have that info to start with. The one person listing it has consistently listed it, I'm sure, from 1994 onwards and he always is meticulous in citing background info. Did Ken distribute it and if so what name did he use?
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This thread caught my eye because I thought it was about a variety I had grown. Looked it up in my records and (relearned that) what I had grown was Green and Yellow instead. Good thing I keep written records becuz the sieve on my shoulders ain't what it used to be! (The holes seem to have gotten larger.)
I looked in the Garden Seed Inventory 6th edition for CV Lon and it is not there, so it is/was a now-defunct commercial source. My guess is that it refers to the Long Island Seed Project.
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I looked in the Garden Seed Inventory 6th edition for CV Lon and it is not there, so it is/was a now-defunct commercial source. My guess is that it refers to the Long Island Seed Project.
**** I have a much earlier Garden Seed Inventory.......somewhere, LOL and I'm not going to go looking for it. I don't remember that Ken had a website back then, he just circulated a paper listing, but I suppose if one wanted to call it a company, as in Lon....meaning Long Island Seed Company, that might work. Craig would know b'c he interacted with Ken much more than I did and Craig's memory is beyond belief. ![]()
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Yesteryear because 25 years is to some younger folks just that. I am beginning a series of my own notes relating to my work of yesteryear (so to speak) and I am submitting a rough outline of my words in quotes with additional quotes as the source of my notes.
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tom,
that would be the perfect tomato colorwise for greenbay packer fans. packer backers are the most loyal of fans in the nfl. you may have a market for it here in wisconsin and western u.p. michigan. ![]() keith |
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Ken has an experimental use of seed at his site, so that may be a reason for a lack of wide-spread dispersal of the "Green 'n Gold" within the larger community.
***** I didn't go back further than 1994 in the Yearbooks but it seems Bill Minkey was the first to list it and if CV Lon was Ken's name back then, then I wonder how it got changed from what you know as Green 'n Gold to all the listings in the Yearbooks being Gold 'n Green. No, I don't stay up nights thinking about this. ![]()
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Yes, Carolyn, I do stay up nights thinking about this.
![]() It becomes a very close to the heart thing type of thing when a variety that has been around for 25 years in the public and even longer within the originator's breeding material is not known among our tomato seed ambassadors! I am getting inquiries about the T-4 and other letter-numbers within the SSE members collections, so it seems again, that I have numerous lines floating about in ever increasing disarray of tomatoes without historical convocations. Much of what I put into my original Tater Mater Seed catalog is rarely well known. A bit tongue in cheek, but the members here form a convention of the many mystical spiritual paths and faiths who desire to teach each other and promote fellowship among all esoteric traditions of tomatoes. I am listening for the melody from the Twilight Zone real soon! Amy Goldman tells me on the phone that many of my tomatoes will be in her new book due out in August. She said she changed the book name again just the other day. Heirloom Tomatoes will be among the words of her title. There will be some rare information on my tomato work in her book, and for that I am thankful.. Rarely does anyone come to me for information for publications. Ken Ettlinger's database of tomato varieties stresses the experimental nature of his collection. That was what I did with my initial write up on my varietal development in my catalong. That experimental "share" project of Ken's at least creates an alphabet soup of potential varieties. The closed system inhibits common vernacular of a variety fairly well it seems.however I wonder how many members here participate with Ken??? Tom Wagner |
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Here is the Green and Yellow from Jeff's webiste:
![]() Stuffing tomato which is green with orange-yellow stripes when mature; heavy production; very resistant to fungal wilt; good addition to any Green Bay Packer-theme vegetable garden. WI MI B 96 CV Lon
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I wouldn't call it participating exactly but I am a member, for want of a better word, of the Long Island Seed Project. That is, I've signed up financially but haven't acted on the offer of seeds that signing up entitles you too. Not yet at any rate.
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I found something interesting today when I looked at the 1996 SSE YEarbook.
Bill Minkey lists Gold n Green and cites Lon93 as his source and says 75 days, bush plant, 2" fruits, bronze gold outside, bright green inside, irregular shape, good flavor. And in the same Yearbook in the same section he also lists Green and Yellow and Lon as a source, but no year given. irregular shape, pepper type, yellow with green stripes, beautiful and sweet with good flavor, very productive. So apprently Ken was offering both Gold n'Green and Green and Yellow at the same time, Bill grew them at the same time, and his descriptions suggest they are different varieties. Just thought some of you might be interested.
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