Heirlooms NOT to grow! - Page 13

September 17, 2016

I've grown Paul Robeson, but I don't think it performed well in my garden. One year, I grew mostly black varieties to see how each performed the same year in the same garden. I also really like the taste of Black Krim, but I don't like the texture when fully ripe. I've described it as mushy, but others have corrected me to call it buttery. When I grow them again, I will start harvesting and eating them before they reach full ripeness on the vine.

Indian Stripe and Carbon have been two of my favorite varieties. Indian Stripe had great taste, but limited productivity. Other folks seem to have experienced better production results with Indian Stripe in their gardens.

This thread seems to have evolved from heirlooms not to grow too heirlooms to grow. I'm sure I contributed to the confusion. I apologize.

Ted

JLJ_ · September 18, 2016

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Originally Posted by tedln

. . . This thread seems to have evolved from heirlooms not to grow too heirlooms to grow. . . .

Perhaps 'heirlooms not to grow' and 'heirlooms not to not grow' ?

Keen101 · March 3, 2017

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Originally Posted by tedln

Speaking only for myself, I sometimes wonder if it would be helpful to be color blind when judging the taste quality of various tomatoes. I wonder if my prejudice for red tomatoes ("it ain't a tomato if it ain't red") causes me to lower my estimation of the flavors of orange, yellow, GWR, black and other color varieties.

Interesting. I'm at the point where i am pretty much of the opposite. If it's a red tomato it automatically gets pre-judged as tasting awful and inferior. This is purely just because through my own experience with store tomatoes over the years that red tomatoes have been getting worse and worse. Especially if they are a pale red. So naturally i distrust red tomatoes by learned instinct now. That's not to say that i don't find reds that taste decent, but from a pre-judging perspective that's what i think of first.

I'm still new to world of tomatoes in general though, and i have little experience with all the different colors and flavors. But i'm working on my own tomato trials again this year which probably will turn into some sort of breeding effort to find and/or breed the kind of tomato i end up enjoying the most. From a color perspective i tend to like bold bright colors with maybe a hint of darkness. I'm investigating some oranges and some "black" varieties as well as some with wild heritage. It will be interesting to see which ones i eliminate and which ones i end up selecting over time.

**carolyn137** · March 3, 2017

Dennis, I'll get back to your post when I can,just noting that I don't sell seeds but can give you some links to a couple of vendors who do sell seeds from my book.

An alternative is asking for a few here at Tville in the Wanted Forum, but maybe not the best choice. But if you are looking for seeds for LOTS of them, then definitely go the vendor route.

Carolyn

mtbigfish · March 4, 2017

The reply was supposed to be to Craig - do you have links to sales of seeds from the dwarf project - and info ?? I have most of the varieties from your book I bought over 15-20 yrs ago plus another 350 varieties

just wanted to try dwarfs in my big pots instead of big indeterminate and compact plants

mtbigfish · March 4, 2017

I love black & purple tomatoes - most of them anyway and many reds pinks & some greens all mostly heirlooms and a few gold, yellow and orange

Cole_Robbie · September 17, 2016

My Jaune Flamme was orange, too, nothing red about it. It was delicious and I loved it. I'm growing a lot more next year. Along with De Barao Orange, it's going to be the orange component of my small tomato color mix.

Worth1 · September 17, 2016

When I take a pictuer the colors are all off depending on the light.
It wasn't this way when I was using film.

As for me I wont grow Paul Robeson again or Indian Stripe back to Cherokee purple.
Never saw two tomatoes die from the plague faster in my life.

September 17, 2016

I've been trying to remember the name of a tomato that I really liked that I believe had a name that meant watermelon in Russian. It was probably the most beautiful tomato I've ever grown and tasted as good as it looked. While I never saw it listed as a black tomato, it had such a dark maroon color with lite green vertical striping, it looked like many of the "black" varieties. If I'm ringing any bells on the name, let me know please.

Ted

nancyruhl · September 18, 2016

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Originally Posted by tedln

I've been trying to remember the name of a tomato that I really liked that I believe had a name that meant watermelon in Russian. It was probably the most beautiful tomato I've ever grown and tasted as good as it looked. While I never saw it listed as a black tomato, it had such a dark maroon color with lite green vertical striping, it looked like many of the "black" varieties. If I'm ringing any bells on the name, let me know please.

Ted

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Arbuznyi

**carolyn137** · September 18, 2016

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Originally Posted by nancyruhl

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Arbuznyi

You beat me to it Nancy.I already had the links saved,but got diverted this AM reading the news online.

here's the two I saved

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Watermelon

And the one you put up

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Arbuznyi

Now I can go back and delete both of them which is good since for a long time now when I want to save a link I'm told no more room,delete more,and I do.

Limit is 2400 items saved in my faves and some of those go back to, well,way back.

Carolyn

korney19 · September 18, 2016

Sounds like someone's Arbuznyi seeds got crossed--differemt colors & way different sizes!

AlittleSalt · September 18, 2016

JLJ, I agree. But putting a little different spin on it - grow what has proven to grow for you.

nyrfan · May 2, 2017

If you are thinking of trying Italian Heirloom... don't!

It grows fine but is bland & watery-tasting. I had the same results 2 years in a row.

How did that ever win the 2012 SSE tasting contest??

March 3, 2017	#4
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Dennis, I'll get back to your post when I can,just noting that I don't sell seeds but can give you some links to a couple of vendors who do sell seeds from my book. An alternative is asking for a few here at Tville in the Wanted Forum, but maybe not the best choice. But if you are looking for seeds for LOTS of them, then definitely go the vendor route. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

March 4, 2017	#6
mtbigfish Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chillicothe Ohio - left Calif July 2010 Posts: 451	I love black & purple tomatoes - most of them anyway and many reds pinks & some greens all mostly heirlooms and a few gold, yellow and orange Last edited by mtbigfish; March 4, 2017 at 06:02 PM. Reason: this was for Keen101

September 17, 2016	#1
tedln Guest Posts: n/a	I've grown Paul Robeson, but I don't think it performed well in my garden. One year, I grew mostly black varieties to see how each performed the same year in the same garden. I also really like the taste of Black Krim, but I don't like the texture when fully ripe. I've described it as mushy, but others have corrected me to call it buttery. When I grow them again, I will start harvesting and eating them before they reach full ripeness on the vine. Indian Stripe and Carbon have been two of my favorite varieties. Indian Stripe had great taste, but limited productivity. Other folks seem to have experienced better production results with Indian Stripe in their gardens. This thread seems to have evolved from heirlooms not to grow too heirlooms to grow. I'm sure I contributed to the confusion. I apologize. Ted

September 17, 2016	#7
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	My Jaune Flamme was orange, too, nothing red about it. It was delicious and I loved it. I'm growing a lot more next year. Along with De Barao Orange, it's going to be the orange component of my small tomato color mix.

September 17, 2016	#8
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	When I take a pictuer the colors are all off depending on the light. It wasn't this way when I was using film. As for me I wont grow Paul Robeson again or Indian Stripe back to Cherokee purple. Never saw two tomatoes die from the plague faster in my life.

September 18, 2016	#12
korney19 Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Co-Founder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Niagara Frontier Posts: 942	Sounds like someone's Arbuznyi seeds got crossed--differemt colors & way different sizes!

September 18, 2016	#13
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	JLJ, I agree. But putting a little different spin on it - grow what has proven to grow for you.

May 2, 2017	#14
nyrfan Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 123	If you are thinking of trying Italian Heirloom... don't! It grows fine but is bland & watery-tasting. I had the same results 2 years in a row. How did that ever win the 2012 SSE tasting contest??