AVOID Pepper Joe's AT ALL COSTS! - Page 15

Tania · December 2, 2012

Dono, I do not see a problem if you or anybody else copy anything from my site for personal use, including photos. I do not have any problem when folks use my pictures to print labels for their personal use or in seed trades between individuals - I'd actually prefer that, as it helps to have information about a variety at your fingertips.

I am also happy to give permission to use my own pictures to non-commercial folks who sell a few tomato plants - all you need is just ask!

Same applies to personal blogs. Tatiana's TOMATObase copyright statement allows the use of the materials under specific conditions, that includes a credit to the owner and non-commercial use. http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki...ase:Copyrights

I freely share my work with a few non-commercial tomato websites in Germany (you may have seen some of my photos there). I get lots of photos from these guys to post at TOMATObase. We give each other a credit and continue to benefit from the sharing. That's a very rewarding partnership that benefits many NA and German gardeners too!

I absolutely do not support use of somebody's else work by commercial seed vendors without an explicit permission from owner. It is not just illegal, it is very unethical and unprofessional.

ContainerTed · December 2, 2012

Dono, the problem comes in when folks copy and then claim it to be their original property. The word being discussed here is plagiarism. Plagiarism is often defined as copying, lifting, stealing, bootlegging, illegal use, and breach of copyright.

It's okay to read something and then copy it down for your own personal, non business use. Each time you use it, it's simply like reading it again. Most folks only ask to be credited as the owner of the original art or writing. Such as "Photo used with owner's permission" or "Thanks to John Doe for helping with this writeup" or "Courtesy of Jane Doe".

gixxerific · December 2, 2012

Thanks Tania I am a honest person. I feel guilty lifting descrips enough that I even change the wording at times to my own. But than again it is for my own use and the use of those I trade with.

I would not do this for financial gain. I have learned being on Helpful Gardener forum not to post pics or the likes WITHOUT at least posting the link to the thread/site. It is ~~not allowed~~ frowned upon over there, since it can lead to the probelms we are seeing here.

By the way Tat I love your site, it is not boring. It is straight forward and to the point. Which is how it should be. Hell look at the name "Tatiana's TOMATObase" which means "database". How many over the top pretty "databases" have you seen?

FILMNET · December 2, 2012

This statement/quote from Joe is unbelievable, $ on my facebook page !!!! come on? who are you kidding? These 2 most have dropped from space - maybe the moon?

"...but I spend a lot of time and money on this Facebook page and had to make a statement here about bullying."

Riceloft · December 2, 2012

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Originally Posted by FILMNET

This statement/quote from Joe is unbelievable, $ on my facebook page !!!! come on? who are you kidding? These 2 most have dropped from space - maybe the moon?

"...but I spend a lot of time and money on this Facebook page and had to make a statement here about bullying."

Its quite possible that he spends money advertising on facebook. I have a facebook page for a fishing charter business and have considered spending $ on ads, so that could definitely be it.

FILMNET · December 3, 2012

True, but every statement he writes is not true. they now have a trademark on pictures they took, instead of a letter C in a circle, they have the letters TM?
Here it is on the dwarf page, these shot with this girl looks like a shot i have seen this before?

kurt · December 7, 2012

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Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Some of you will notice that there have been significant changes to the Dwarf Page at PennysTomatoes.com. My picture of Yukon Quest is no longer there. I will have more details in the next couple of days. Everyone keep calm. Now is not the time to shove threats and such around. I'll explain later, but need your cooperation at this time.

Meanwhile business goes on at Pennys. Any details?

FILMNET · December 7, 2012

quite now
yes quiet

kurt · December 7, 2012

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Originally Posted by FILMNET

quite now

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/d.../british/quite Im sorry the question was directed to the person in the quote.

**Mischka** · December 7, 2012

They posted this an hour ago on their Facebook page. I will post my thoughts on this latest rant shortly.

Sun City Linda · December 7, 2012

Well, it was not hard to predict that little episode with Surfer Girl would turn up on Pennys Facebook as propoganda. All very convenient.

Tania · December 8, 2012

I am just speechless. I've got a real heartache for all my friends here.

tam91 · December 8, 2012

Interesting he doesn't have the nerve to post Mischka's real name.

What a mess, sigh.

**mdvpc** · December 8, 2012

The only people that are banned from T-Ville are those that violate the rules, which everyone knows when they join. And the rules are reasonable and the reason why this site is what it is.

ContainerTed · December 8, 2012

I know I promised some details, but I'm limited in what I can say. Pepper Joe and I have reached an agreement, which constitutes a legal contract. He has taken down my picture from the Pennystomtoes website, and I have stopped my pursuit of litigation.

As for me, I will make no further comment on this matter at this time.

December 2, 2012	#211
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Dono, I do not see a problem if you or anybody else copy anything from my site for personal use, including photos. I do not have any problem when folks use my pictures to print labels for their personal use or in seed trades between individuals - I'd actually prefer that, as it helps to have information about a variety at your fingertips. I am also happy to give permission to use my own pictures to non-commercial folks who sell a few tomato plants - all you need is just ask! Same applies to personal blogs. Tatiana's TOMATObase copyright statement allows the use of the materials under specific conditions, that includes a credit to the owner and non-commercial use. http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki...ase:Copyrights I freely share my work with a few non-commercial tomato websites in Germany (you may have seen some of my photos there). I get lots of photos from these guys to post at TOMATObase. We give each other a credit and continue to benefit from the sharing. That's a very rewarding partnership that benefits many NA and German gardeners too! I absolutely do not support use of somebody's else work by commercial seed vendors without an explicit permission from owner. It is not just illegal, it is very unethical and unprofessional. __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase Last edited by Tania; December 2, 2012 at 03:59 PM.

December 2, 2012	#212
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Dono, the problem comes in when folks copy and then claim it to be their original property. The word being discussed here is plagiarism. Plagiarism is often defined as copying, lifting, stealing, bootlegging, illegal use, and breach of copyright. It's okay to read something and then copy it down for your own personal, non business use. Each time you use it, it's simply like reading it again. Most folks only ask to be credited as the owner of the original art or writing. Such as "Photo used with owner's permission" or "Thanks to John Doe for helping with this writeup" or "Courtesy of Jane Doe". __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

December 7, 2012	#218
FILMNET Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Charleston,South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,803	quite now yes quiet Last edited by FILMNET; December 7, 2012 at 05:29 PM.

December 8, 2012	#222
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	I am just speechless. I've got a real heartache for all my friends here. __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

December 8, 2012	#223
tam91 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Crystal Lake IL Posts: 2,484	Interesting he doesn't have the nerve to post Mischka's real name. What a mess, sigh. __________________ Tracy

December 2, 2012	#213
gixxerific Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: in the gutter, with my mouth Posts: 123	Thanks Tania I am a honest person. I feel guilty lifting descrips enough that I even change the wording at times to my own. But than again it is for my own use and the use of those I trade with. I would not do this for financial gain. I have learned being on Helpful Gardener forum not to post pics or the likes WITHOUT at least posting the link to the thread/site. It is ~~not allowed~~ frowned upon over there, since it can lead to the probelms we are seeing here. By the way Tat I love your site, it is not boring. It is straight forward and to the point. Which is how it should be. Hell look at the name "Tatiana's TOMATObase" which means "database". How many over the top pretty "databases" have you seen?

December 2, 2012	#214
FILMNET Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Charleston,South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,803	This statement/quote from Joe is unbelievable, $ on my facebook page !!!! come on? who are you kidding? These 2 most have dropped from space - maybe the moon? "...but I spend a lot of time and money on this Facebook page and had to make a statement here about bullying."

December 7, 2012	#221
Sun City Linda Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Inland Posts: 2,705	Well, it was not hard to predict that little episode with Surfer Girl would turn up on Pennys Facebook as propoganda. All very convenient.

December 8, 2012	#224
mdvpc Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 4,386	The only people that are banned from T-Ville are those that violate the rules, which everyone knows when they join. And the rules are reasonable and the reason why this site is what it is. __________________ Michael

December 8, 2012	#225
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	I know I promised some details, but I'm limited in what I can say. Pepper Joe and I have reached an agreement, which constitutes a legal contract. He has taken down my picture from the Pennystomtoes website, and I have stopped my pursuit of litigation. As for me, I will make no further comment on this matter at this time. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch