July 26, 2016 | #211 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
|
July 29, 2016 | #212 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: CNY zone 5
Posts: 179
|
aarrgh, real quick , how does 1 attach a picture that has been loaded into flickr? I've done photo's on here in the past no problem, but I am having a really hard time doing it now. I already tried searching this topic and it just pull's up all the picture threads.
__________________
Melissa1977 Zone 5 CNY |
July 29, 2016 | #213 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: France
Posts: 688
|
Quote:
|
|
July 29, 2016 | #214 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: France
Posts: 688
|
Quote:
I lost a lot of flowers this spring in our rainy weather so production was not so good. But I think in better conditions it will be good. Really the best micro I have grown until now |
|
August 8, 2016 | #215 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 2,742
|
My 11xF3 plants are still producing tasty tomatoes.
Below is 19xF1 fruits. This picture is a few days old, they have gotten a bit bigger. Larger cherry at this point. Seed was sown in mid June. The prime season of heat and sun is obviously helping but these are coming along lightning fast. |
August 9, 2016 | #216 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
Quote:
|
|
August 9, 2016 | #217 |
Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Co-Founder
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Niagara Frontier
Posts: 942
|
|
August 19, 2016 | #218 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 2,742
|
This picture was a couple days ago. The first ripe fruit should be ready in a few days. The seeds were sown on June 9. If it is ready Monday that will be ripe fruit 74 days after seed sowing!!!!!!!! I know the plant is growing at the height of day length and warm temperatures but I'm still shocked at the earliness. 74 days from transplant is decent--but from sowing?!?!
|
August 19, 2016 | #219 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
Quote:
If that one is 19X, I'm a little surprised at the fruit size. They look to be significantly larger than either of their parents. I've only seen that on one other F1. It will be interesting to see what the F2s are like. |
|
August 20, 2016 | #220 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 2,742
|
Quote:
|
|
August 21, 2016 | #221 | |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
Quote:
I don't know what type of fruit the Stick I used would have had. I have never grown Stick to maturity. I only grew it to where I could extract pollen for the cross indoors during the winter and didn't have the space to grow it out any further. I have been more surprised by the F1 of that cross than any other so far. The F1 looks exactly like Stick. I assume that means the Stick leaf gene is dominant. I know it has to be a cross, because the seed came out of a fruit from off a micro multiflora regular leaf plant. So, what possibilities does that leave for the F2s and beyond? Is it an either/or situation on the leaf type where the F2s will either be Stick or regular with maybe different fruit characteristics? Or, is there a middle ground where they could have some combination or blending of the leaf type? |
|
August 21, 2016 | #222 | |
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a
Posts: 21,169
|
Quote:
http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...b=General_Info A comment from the person in MI saying there were several sources for it,no doubt, and how different they might be from the original is not clear to me since they could be due to subtle mutation(s) or X pollination.. Yes,I have grown it and like many others consider it to be a genetic curiousity, which is why I ask,since I thought dwarf multifloras with good tasting fruits were/are,the major goal of this project. But maybe I'm wrong? The small red fruits are not good tasting IMO. I confess I haven't been following this thread so please let me ask if any of the following have been included as parental inputs and if so,which ones. Hearts, and yes there are small ones more appropriate to dwarfs Antho anything Angora Foliage Variegated Years ago, actually many decades ago I can't think of any home growers without formal genetic training who were breeding tomatoes which is why I think it's great that Dan started this project. I have seeds for many new varieties that were bred by homegrowers,but for sure,most of them have a background in tomato genetics. And I will follow this thread just to see what many of you come up with. Carolyn
__________________
Carolyn |
|
August 21, 2016 | #223 | ||||
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
Quote:
Quote:
The first micro plants I ever grew under light during the winter were the Red Robin X Rose Quartz Multiflora crosses ChrisK made (MMF to me). I really enjoyed them. They were very productive, impressive to grow and tasted great. I then grew a bunch of other micros. None tasted anywhere near as good as the MMF, nor were they as productive or fun to grow. So, I decided to make some crosses and see if I could create some decent flavored varieties that could be grown indoors. I originally hoped I could get some of these adopted into the Dwarf Project, but my timing was off. So hear we are….. Quote:
I have F1s of and have grown or am growing out F1 crosses of MMF with Dwarf Golden Heart (yellow heart from the Dwarf Project) – Crazy Calliope (dwarf purplish pink heart) – Balkan Tiger (Dwarf pink heart with orange stripes)– Striped Balkan Tiger (dwarf pink heart with pronounced orange striping) – and Tom Wagner 13309 (Green heart shaped indeterminate with yellow striping). Antho anything? I have F1s of and have grown or am growing out F1 crosses of MMF with OSU P20 – (OSU P20 X S. Pimpinellifolium F1) – (OSU P20 X Brandywine Sudduth F2) – Danube – Blue Beauty – and Baby Blue Cherry. Angora Foliage? I am currently growing out an F1 cross of MMF with Fuzzy Wuzzy. Variegated? Not yet. I just dropped seed of several variegated varieties I intend to use in additional crosses this fall with MMF and a couple of other micro multifloras that I’m working with that I like even more than the original. I also have a bunch of other crosses with indeterminates and dwarfs of nearly every color and combination there is - Now, what to do with them? Quote:
I'm glad to see you post here and would really appreciate any input, suggestions or recommendations you and anyone else out there are willing to give. I am trying to assess how much interest there is in developing additional flavorful varieties that will do well in a window sill or under lights during the winter. And to determine the best way to help develop some of those varieties. I will post additional ramblings and ask for input as to how to move forward with the notion behind this thread in the next post. |
||||
August 27, 2016 | #224 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 693
|
Where to Next?
Carolyn’s post has motivated me and share some of my thoughts and try to figure out where to go with this little project.
I do not have the time or desire to try to duplicate what Craig and Patina have done with the Dwarf Project. What they accomplished with the help of 300 + volunteers has been phenomenal. My hat’s off to them. The small bit I did helping with the project was a big part of my motivation to try to develop some micro and dwarf multiflora varieties. However, it undoubtedly consumed an immense amount of Craig’s time over many years. Hopefully, he’ll be able to recoup some payment for that time in the form of book sales and speaking fees. It will be a well-deserved reward. I'm curious as to how much real interest is there is developing new micro varieties that can be easily grown in small pots in a window sill or under lights inside. Is this something that a few people want as long as someone else does the work and develops the varieties, or are there folks who will help developing them? At the very least, I am going to continue doing what little I can trying to find some new micro varieties – and I am happy to to share whatever I have with whoever wants to take part. When I started this thread, I had a few unstable F3 dwarf and micro multiflora lines. I segregated them from crosses with 5 OP varieties I just happened to have available two years ago when I decided to make some crosses. It has been fun growing them out and watching others enjoy growing them. I now have F1 seed from crosses with an additional 55 varieties – including quite a few micro and dwarf varieties. (kinda silly, I know, but…). By this fall, I will have F2 seed for most of those crosses and will have several new lines fixed for micro and multiflora. I also have a couple of lines I really like that show a lot of promise. I want to have a few other people try them this winter. Finding the micros and the multifloras is the time consuming part of the process, but also the most enjoyable part. If anyone would like to take a particular cross and own it and see what they can come up with, PM me and let me know what you are interested in and let’s see what we can do. I have sent a few varieties out for others to take the lead on growing out. I would love to see all of these crosses grown out by someone. I think there are some really great varieties to be found in them. I am not the most organized person around. If anyone has expressed an interest in growing these that I haven’t sent anything to, it was an oversight on my part. PM me and I will send some. Anyone who has suggestions as to how to help this advance better, chime in. If anyone interested in taking the lead growing out a cross, let me know. It’s interesting to grow and sort through hundreds of seedlings looking for those few that have the characteristics you are looking for. And the best thing about these things is that you don’t need acres of garden to sort through them. You can do an amazing amount with a few trays, some lights and a shelf or two – and it helps prevent cabin fever from setting in during the winter. How much interest is there in these little things? |
August 28, 2016 | #225 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wichita Falls Texas
Posts: 446
|
I think you know Abbi and I are very interested(she started her F1 seeds today, and I have some 46X F1s and F2s going, will start threads soon). Hopefully lots more people will chime in soon, too.
__________________
Carrie |
|
|