Joseph's Tomato Experiments

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Jimbotomateo

I was referring to humans. I just came across picture of the little finger monkey in one of the links sorry we hijacked Joseph's tomato experiments hope he comes back in with more interesting details of his projects and gets this thread back on track.

Got it.

Let us blame Fusion who was the first to use the name Neanderthal.

So Joseph, please continue with your mixing up parentages, as I call it.

Carolyn

[joseph]

Worth: Thanks for the suggestion. I had a variety that was sitting around in need of a name, so I just added Neandermato to my seed catalog. I am using the name for my variety of Solanum habrochaites.

Neandermato:


Some of the other varieties that I named this year are:

Panamorous Tomato: A sister-line pulled out of my tomato landrace. They have traits like exerted stigmas, wide open anther cones, great floral displays, huge petals, etc. They swing both ways when making seeds, either selfing or crossing.

Polyamorous Tomato: For self-incompatible landrace tomatoes. They require a pollination partner. The more the better.

Mospermia Squash: An inter-species clade descended from crosses between my landraces of moschata and argyrosperma squash. Tomatoes aren't the only species I'm mixing... I'm expecting to add maxima into my inter-species squash crosses this summer. I'm also growing interspecies corn crosses. And interspecies onions. Eventually, I expect to find some inter-species bean crosses.

Mospermia squash.

[Worth1]

My honor Joseph.
Worth

[BigVanVader]

Those tomatoes with the huge flowers are so cool looking.

[Jimbotomateo]

Joseph, when you say landrace do you me something locally grown for extended time like a domestic or are their wild squash and beans like the tomatoes you use in crosses? Jimbo.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Jimbotomateo

Joseph, when you say landrace do you me something locally grown for extended time like a domestic or are their wild squash and beans like the tomatoes you use in crosses? Jimbo.

I'm not going to answer for Joseph but give my opinion that has came through one heck of a lot of research on the definition of land race.
Plus some observations of my own.

A landrace has been defined as a wild cultivar or originator of a variety crop or critter.
Such as the grass that is detestably the mama of all corn.

Other define it as a plant or animal that has been selectively bred to live in the environment of which it is intended.
There are many farm animals in this category.
As well as corn and a few other crops.
Throughout time inbreeding has all but caused the total loss of the original plant or animal.
Many times it has caused the loss or darn close to it.
Look up camels for one.

I have observed that the closer to the wild speices we get the better the plant or animal can survive.
I have also noticed that so called mutt animals do far better than pure breeds.

I know for a fact Joseph knows this too and his tomato and crop project is part of this desire to have more healthy less inbred plants.
He is also trying to bring back garlic that put out REAL seeds.

More later on my observations about some of these things.
One last thing.
I bought a peach tree tha the bugs ate up the only part they didn't eat was from below the graft.
It is the only thing left alive and is thriving and the bugs wont bother it.

This tells me the grafted crossed part is week and inferior.

Worth

[BigVanVader]

Precisely why homosapiens are so good at adapting, we are highly evolved mutts with very horny ancestors.

[Cole_Robbie]

All peach trees are grafted, usually to pear tree root stock, so you'll probably grow a pear, Worth. They require much less spray and care than peaches.

Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

All peach trees are grafted, usually to pear tree root stock, so you'll probably grow a pear, Worth. They require much less spray and care than peaches.

Waa? They graft peaches onto pear rootstocks? That's pretty intense. They are in the same family, though, but not the same genus or anything. However, I did know that they use quince rootstocks for pears sometimes—they're not in the same genus, either (but they are in the same sub-tribe).

Watch out for fireblight with pears, though, and worms (as with apples). Those problems didn't seem to affect our peaches (but they did the pears). Our peaches just got leaf fungus or something, and the pits rotted sometimes (that's it). Pears can live a super long time. I guess what problems you get can depend a lot on location.

[Worth1]

I always read is was peach root stock.
What ever the case I will have a tree I can graft what ever I want too on it.

The thing just exploded this year with growth.
Or is that against the law somehow too.
Worth

[joseph]

My first tomato inter-species hybrid has ripe fruit! They fell off the plant, so I figure that they are ripe. The fruits picked up some yellow coloration from the domestic mother. They are about the same size as the wild fruits. I'm intending to open them to see if they have seeds, and plant them soon. Would like to get one more generation before spring.

F1 Hybrid: [NoID Red X LA1777]


Mother: a red tomato from my landrace in 2012.


Father: Solanum habrochaites, LA1777

[Jimbotomateo]

Awesome Joseph, how big are they?

[joseph]

The fruits are about 0.7 inches in diameter. The dots on the color card I use are 1 mm apart.

[Jimbotomateo]

Are ya gonna taste em or just plant em?

[joseph]

I squeezed the juice out and started it fermenting. There were about 11 seeds between the two fruits. The seeds had green colored gel-sacks. I have noticed that trait is shared by the two best tasting tomatoes in my garden.

I ate the rest of the fruit. Taste was OK. Tasted like a tomato. Not sweet. Not bitter. It's left a lingering aftertaste in my mouth. Hard to pinpoint a flavor profile, but I know I've eaten something.