2017 tentative grow list - Page 19

seaeagle · March 11, 2017

1 EVA PURPLE BALL

2 CHEROKEE GREEN

3 CHEROKEE PURPLE

4 JET STAR

5 BEEFSTEAK

6 ROMANA PLUM

7 EARLS FAUX

8 NOT PURPLE STRAWBERRY

9 INDIAN STRIPE (was packaged as Indian Zebra)

10 COUSTRALEE

11 BRANDYWINE FROM CROATIA

12 RUTGERS

13 Arkansas Traveler

Some singles, Some multiples, not sure yet

PNW_D · March 11, 2017

Not Purple Strawberry
Purple Bumble Bee
Maglia Rosa
Heart's Delite Black
Dwarf Purple Heart
Dwarf Orange Cream
Worry 5774 F3
Scary 5808 F3
Apero F1
not Russian 117 pink (fingers crossed, from 2004 seed)
and two last minute additions:
Captain Lucky
Bloody Butcher

efisakov · March 12, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNW_D

Not Purple Strawberry
Purple Bumble Bee
Maglia Rosa
Heart's Delite Black
Dwarf Purple Heart
Dwarf Orange Cream
Worry 5774 F3
Scary 5808 F3
Apero F1
not Russian 117 pink (fingers crossed, from 2004 seed)
and two last minute additions:
Captain Lucky
Bloody Butcher

How is Purple Bumble Bee for you?

wildcat62 · March 12, 2017

Finally settled on my lineup barring any unforeseen trouble.

Making another appearance:

German Queen
Stump of the World
Rebel Yell
Vinson Watts
Cherokee Purple
Paul Robeson
Indian Stripe
Big Cheef
Zeke Dishman
Neves Azorean Red
Pink Berkley Tye Dye
Big Beef
Big Boy
Supersteak
Lemon Boy
Hillbilly
Willard Wynn

New additions:

Rebecca Sebastian's Bull Bag
Red Barn
Cosmonaut Volkov
Pruden's Purple
Purple Dog Creek
Virginia Sweet
Spudakee
Black from Tula
Brandywine Black
Blue Ridge Black

And a couple for a raised bed:

Black Cherry
Lemon Drop

So many left over, but I can't grow them all in one year.

PNW_D · March 12, 2017

First year growing Purple Bumble Bee ......... time will tell Ella

but off to a good start - my first one to germinate

**carolyn137** · March 12, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaeagle

1 EVA PURPLE BALL

2 CHEROKEE GREEN

3 CHEROKEE PURPLE

4 JET STAR

5 BEEFSTEAK

6 ROMANA PLUM

7 EARLS FAUX

8 NOT PURPLE STRAWBERRY

9 INDIAN ZEBRA

10 COUSTRALEE

11 BRANDYWINE FROM CROATIA

12 RUTGERS

13 Arkansas Traveler

Some singles, Some multiples, not sure yet

There is no Indian Zebra anymore,please allow me to explain.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

At the bottom of the above link Donna told me that it was called both IS and IZ in the area. I chose IS b'c at the time there were several other varieties that had zebra as part of the name and I didn't want to confuse the issue.

After I introduced it way back in 2003 and offered it in several seed offers, then a PL variant appeared which was stable and I offered both of those.

Then someone I know well contacted Burson's son and all he could find in the freezer was a bag labelled Indian Zebra, and there should be no difference between the two,but then the arguments/discussions started, and I had to ask Donna to come here to confirm what I had written, and she did and finally ended when the person who called it IZ said he would no longer call it that, and that after I can't tell you how many threads here and at idig, and I was glad he did.

End of story, but personally neither he nor I, I'm pretty sure, want to see it still being called IZ.

Carolyn, who is just curious where you got your IZ seed from and would appreciate it if you would please PM me and tell me that.

seaeagle · March 12, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

There is no Indian Zebra anymore,please allow me to explain.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

At the bottom of the above link Donna told me that it was called both IS and IZ in the area. I chose IS b'c at the time there were several other varieties that had zebra as part of the name and I didn't want to confuse the issue.

After I introduced it way back in 2003 and offered it in several seed offers, then a PL variant appeared which was stable and I offered both of those.

Then someone I know well contacted Burson's son and all he could find in the freezer was a bag labelled Indian Zebra, and there should be no difference between the two,but then the arguments/discussions started, and I had to ask Donna to come here to confirm what I had written, and she did and finally ended when the person who called it IZ said he would no longer call it that, and that after I can't tell you how many threads here and at idig, and I was glad he did.

End of story, but personally neither he nor I, I'm pretty sure, want to see it still being called IZ.

Carolyn, who is just curious where you got your IZ seed from and would appreciate it if you would please PM me and tell me that.

I changed it to Indian Stripe, but added what it came marked as.Without saying where I obtained the seeds, it was stated that this was different than Indian Stripe.So maybe this tomato should have another name?? I dunno

**carolyn137** · March 13, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaeagle

I changed it to Indian Stripe, but added what it came marked as.Without saying where I obtained the seeds, it was stated that this was different than Indian Stripe.So maybe this tomato should have another name?? I dunno

Yes, there are others who do say it's different, which is against everything Burson Sr told Donna,that I know. One person in particular said he bought seeds at X seed company and they turned out to be slightly different.

Let me see if that same company is still offering it.

Yes it is, and here's a cut and paste from the description

(85 days, indeterminate — Similar to 'Cherokee Purple', very productive, very good flavor. It is productive, a compact indeterminate plant, fruits are oblate, a bit smaller than 'Cherokee Purple', shoulders not as dark, but color similarly dusky rose with some occasional green striping. Flavor is best when fully ripe. Each packet contains approximately 20 seeds.)

So comparing it to Cherokee Purple only.

But there were those who in the beginning saw that the person who got only Indian Zebra from Burson's son,still to this day say that is the only legitimate name which is very wrong, since as I said above if Burson SR said he called it EITHER Indian Stripe OR Indian Zebra,he was referring to the SAME variety..

OK that's enough for now and no,I do not think that any name changes are needed, nor actually warranted and now that you know the background I'm sure you'll agree.

Carolyn

bad.kelpie · March 14, 2017

I got most of my seeds this year from Kath's and Marsha's awesome and generous seed offers, so I'm going to have lots of fun tomatoes this year.

I have 20 varieties, and I'll probably plant about 35 - 40 plants.

The first six were saved by me from last year, the next 7 are from Kath (Thank You!), the next 7 from Marsha (Thank You!)

Cherokee Purple
Chocolate Stripe
Pineapple
Green Zebra
Orange Russian 117
Juliet f2

Pit Viper
Pearly Pink Orange
Pink Bumblebee
Indigo Cherry Drops
Idaho Hillbilly
Lithium Sunset
Girl Girl's Weird Thing

Cherokee Lime
Green Zebra Cherry
Reverend Michael Keyes
Dwarf Beauty King
New Big Dwarf
Tennessee Suited
Wherokowhai

I'm excited about the dwarf tomatoes this year, I haven't grown any of them before.

seaeagle · March 14, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaeagle

I changed it to Indian Stripe, but added what it came marked as.Without saying where I obtained the seeds, it was stated that this was different than Indian Stripe.So maybe this tomato should have another name?? I dunno

After giving this issue more thought, it was wrong of me to change the name on my list from Indian Zebra to Indian Stripe.I have no right to change the name of a tomato that someone was kind enough to send to me, labeled Indian Zebra and stating that it was different than Indian Stripe.Unfortunately I cannot edit my post anymore.

I guess it is the wishes of most to have one name for this tomato, but if it is actually different and many who have grown it say it is, how can it have one name?I will know more as to how different it is when I grow it.Having grown Indian Stripe Potato Leaf last year and not being impressed at all with it, i have something to compare it to.

And really, it's just a tomato.

**carolyn137** · March 14, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaeagle

After giving this issue more thought, it was wrong of me to change the name on my list from Indian Zebra to Indian Stripe.I have no right to change the name of a tomato that someone was kind enough to send to me, labeled Indian Zebra and stating that it was different than Indian Stripe.Unfortunately I cannot edit my post anymore.

I guess it is the wishes of most to have one name for this tomato, but if it is actually different and many who have grown it say it is, how can it have one name?I will know more as to how different it is when I grow it.Having grown Indian Stripe Potato Leaf last year and not being impressed at all with it, i have something to compare it to.

And really, it's just a tomato.

Yes it's just a tomato but when Burson Sr said

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

that he called it EITHER Indian Stripe OR Indian Zebra,they should be the same.

And I'm not going to go through and again link to all the links I posted previous to this which were many re this variety.

If I were to have someone send me seeds for a particular variety and it turned out not to be the variety
I expected, I would not be pleased at all,and yes,that has happened to me, especially if it was a rare variety hard to get.

About controls.

Methinks you should grow true Indian Stripe and what you think is true Indian Zebra , which you think you have already ,a few plants of both,in the same season and grow them the same way in order to be able make a conclusion.

Carolyn

Starlight · March 15, 2017

Agggggggg! I should have stayed out of my seed box. Besides about 50 hearts and some from TV offers here these are on my list for this year. I doubt I'll get to the new ones I bought this year, we'll see how the weather does and if I can get myu hands on enough soil. Have about 10 bags of TT so I hope it going to be enough.

There's only a couple on this list I have grown before. All the rest are new to me. It was a hard choice, but figured to get some of these older seeds sprouted and saved.

Aunt Lou's Underground Railroad
Aussie
Basinga
Blackfoot from 4 different growers
Clint Eastwood's Rowdy Red
Crimson Delight
Diener
Druzba
Dester
Dora
Dixie Golden Giant
Eli
Earl Faux
Ernie's Plump
Fiaschetto
Fakel
Floradade
Goji Faranji
Grub's Green Mystery
Gary 'O Sena
Guker's Special
Happy Jack
Hawkins
Harzfevr
Italian Market Wonder
Ivory Egg
Jersey Devil
JD's Special C Tex
Japanese Heirloom ( pink beefsteak from WWII seed)
Japanese Black Trifele
Kentucky Yellow Beefsteak
Kardinal
Kennington Big Red
Koltas
Leadbetters Lunker
Li Cun
Lucky Cross
Linda's Faux
Lilac Giant
Mexico
Mule Team
Marmande
Morado
Manyel
Matina
Malachite Box
Mega Marv
Nyagous
Native Sun
Northern Lights
Old Wyandotte
Oaxacan Jewel
Olena Ukrainian
Orange Minsk
Old Yellow Candy Stripe
Pantano
Pineapple Pig
Plum Tigris
Punta Banda
Pierce's Pride
Porter Charles Herring Strain
Prescott
AGGGGGGGGG What no tomatoes begining with the letter Q? Time to go shopping! : )

Roman Candle
red Barn
Red Cloud
Rio Grande
Rosy Morn
Spudatula Black
Schmatzefein
Santiago
Southern Belle
Sisters
Sulton
Sioux
Sara Black
Thessaloniki
Tegucigalpa
Talledega
Tennessee britches
Texas Star
Taxi
Tangerine Mama
Trucker's Favorite
Top Sirlon
Ukrainian Paste
Uncle Charle's Giant Italian Pear
Vorlon
Velue Striee
Vintage Wine
White Zebra
Dang ...No X's
Yucon Quest
Zigan
Zloty Ozarowski

Yep, lots of variety and plants, but not all may make it growing here. Anything sick or looking really stressed will be pulled.

Now it will be interesting and a challenge to see which ones will do well in my area and climate. We'll see who holds up to heat and humidity and crossing fingers and toes, hopefully no major pests.

My big thing is I hope I can find some good tasting ones. Last year only had two I really didn't care for taste. Year before had 50 varieties and only found two I liked. Lots of work and expense and time if you only get spitters.

**carolyn137** · March 15, 2017

SiouxSchwarze Sarah

Starlight,what is the above?

I know Sioux very well, and it should be Sara's Black, bred by Joe Bratka and someone changed the name to German.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sara_Black

There was no controversy as I knew since Joe bred it himself and I knew him very well, and he did a sara red,a sara pink,I think,and other colors as well.

The only ones that were family heirlooms of his were from the Black Forest area of Germany and were:

Eva Purple Ball
Marizol Purple
Marizol Gold

And he bred many other varieties that he tried to pass off as heirlooms and Bill M, who is a good friend of mine listed them all when he shouldn't have,but, as many have said if they are good that's what counts,and I agree but I just don't like fictitious histories.

Carolyn

Starlight · March 15, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

SiouxSchwarze Sarah

Starlight,what is the above?

I know Sioux very well, and it should be Sara's Black, bred by Joe Bratka and someone changed the name to German.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sara_Black

There was no controversy as I knew since Joe bred it himself and I knew him very well, and he did a sara red,a sara pink,I think,and other colors as well.

The only ones that were family heirlooms of his were from the Black Forest area of Germany and were:

Eva Purple Ball
Marizol Purple
Marizol Gold

And he bred many other varieties that he tried to pass off as heirlooms and Bill M, who is a good friend of mine listed them all when he shouldn't have,but, as many have said if they are good that's what counts,and I agree but I just don't like fictitious histories.

Carolyn

Opps! My bad. Forgot to hit the enter bar after Sioux. Guess it may be a good thing though.

So am I understanding right I need to change Schwarze Sarah to just Sarah Black? Have you tasted it yet?

P.S. Glad to see you have power and hopefully somebody brought you food. I love chocolate too, but too much and you'll be dancing with a walker.

**carolyn137** · March 15, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starlight

Opps! My bad. Forgot to hit the enter bar after Sioux. Guess it may be a good thing though.

So am I understanding right I need to change Schwarze Sarah to just Sarah Black? Have you tasted it yet?

P.S. Glad to see you have power and hopefully somebody brought you food. I love chocolate too, but too much and you'll be dancing with a walker.

Yes,I would change it to Sarah Black, as Tania's link in post 283 showed

Yes,I still have power, many roads still not plowed, very quiet out there, about two feet of snow and more on the way.

I was able to get out to the kitchen, and back, the latter being crucial,got two sandwiches from the fridge that Martha had made just in case,running very low on cigarettes,but my dark chocolate stash is in fine shape.

Carolyn

March 11, 2017	#271
seaeagle Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: virginia Posts: 743	1 EVA PURPLE BALL 2 CHEROKEE GREEN 3 CHEROKEE PURPLE 4 JET STAR 5 BEEFSTEAK 6 ROMANA PLUM 7 EARLS FAUX 8 NOT PURPLE STRAWBERRY 9 INDIAN STRIPE (was packaged as Indian Zebra) 10 COUSTRALEE 11 BRANDYWINE FROM CROATIA 12 RUTGERS 13 Arkansas Traveler Some singles, Some multiples, not sure yet Last edited by seaeagle; March 12, 2017 at 11:07 PM.

March 11, 2017	#272
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Not Purple Strawberry Purple Bumble Bee Maglia Rosa Heart's Delite Black Dwarf Purple Heart Dwarf Orange Cream Worry 5774 F3 Scary 5808 F3 Apero F1 not Russian 117 pink (fingers crossed, from 2004 seed) and two last minute additions: Captain Lucky Bloody Butcher __________________ D.

March 12, 2017	#275
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	First year growing Purple Bumble Bee ......... time will tell Ella but off to a good start - my first one to germinate __________________ D.

March 15, 2017	#282
Starlight Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: AL Posts: 1,993	Agggggggg! I should have stayed out of my seed box. Besides about 50 hearts and some from TV offers here these are on my list for this year. I doubt I'll get to the new ones I bought this year, we'll see how the weather does and if I can get myu hands on enough soil. Have about 10 bags of TT so I hope it going to be enough. There's only a couple on this list I have grown before. All the rest are new to me. It was a hard choice, but figured to get some of these older seeds sprouted and saved. Aunt Lou's Underground Railroad Aussie Basinga Blackfoot from 4 different growers Clint Eastwood's Rowdy Red Crimson Delight Diener Druzba Dester Dora Dixie Golden Giant Eli Earl Faux Ernie's Plump Fiaschetto Fakel Floradade Goji Faranji Grub's Green Mystery Gary 'O Sena Guker's Special Happy Jack Hawkins Harzfevr Italian Market Wonder Ivory Egg Jersey Devil JD's Special C Tex Japanese Heirloom ( pink beefsteak from WWII seed) Japanese Black Trifele Kentucky Yellow Beefsteak Kardinal Kennington Big Red Koltas Leadbetters Lunker Li Cun Lucky Cross Linda's Faux Lilac Giant Mexico Mule Team Marmande Morado Manyel Matina Malachite Box Mega Marv Nyagous Native Sun Northern Lights Old Wyandotte Oaxacan Jewel Olena Ukrainian Orange Minsk Old Yellow Candy Stripe Pantano Pineapple Pig Plum Tigris Punta Banda Pierce's Pride Porter Charles Herring Strain Prescott AGGGGGGGGG What no tomatoes begining with the letter Q? Time to go shopping! : ) Roman Candle red Barn Red Cloud Rio Grande Rosy Morn Spudatula Black Schmatzefein Santiago Southern Belle Sisters Sulton Sioux Sara Black Thessaloniki Tegucigalpa Talledega Tennessee britches Texas Star Taxi Tangerine Mama Trucker's Favorite Top Sirlon Ukrainian Paste Uncle Charle's Giant Italian Pear Vorlon Velue Striee Vintage Wine White Zebra Dang ...No X's Yucon Quest Zigan Zloty Ozarowski Yep, lots of variety and plants, but not all may make it growing here. Anything sick or looking really stressed will be pulled. Now it will be interesting and a challenge to see which ones will do well in my area and climate. We'll see who holds up to heat and humidity and crossing fingers and toes, hopefully no major pests. My big thing is I hope I can find some good tasting ones. Last year only had two I really didn't care for taste. Year before had 50 varieties and only found two I liked. Lots of work and expense and time if you only get spitters. Last edited by Starlight; March 15, 2017 at 08:02 PM. Reason: spacing, name change

March 15, 2017	#283
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	SiouxSchwarze Sarah Starlight,what is the above? I know Sioux very well, and it should be Sara's Black, bred by Joe Bratka and someone changed the name to German. http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sara_Black There was no controversy as I knew since Joe bred it himself and I knew him very well, and he did a sara red,a sara pink,I think,and other colors as well. The only ones that were family heirlooms of his were from the Black Forest area of Germany and were: Eva Purple Ball Marizol Purple Marizol Gold And he bred many other varieties that he tried to pass off as heirlooms and Bill M, who is a good friend of mine listed them all when he shouldn't have,but, as many have said if they are good that's what counts,and I agree but I just don't like fictitious histories. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

March 12, 2017	#274
wildcat62 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2014 Location: Zone 6 Northern Kentucky Posts: 1,094	Finally settled on my lineup barring any unforeseen trouble. Making another appearance: German Queen Stump of the World Rebel Yell Vinson Watts Cherokee Purple Paul Robeson Indian Stripe Big Cheef Zeke Dishman Neves Azorean Red Pink Berkley Tye Dye Big Beef Big Boy Supersteak Lemon Boy Hillbilly Willard Wynn New additions: Rebecca Sebastian's Bull Bag Red Barn Cosmonaut Volkov Pruden's Purple Purple Dog Creek Virginia Sweet Spudakee Black from Tula Brandywine Black Blue Ridge Black And a couple for a raised bed: Black Cherry Lemon Drop So many left over, but I can't grow them all in one year.

March 14, 2017	#279
bad.kelpie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2016 Location: Washington State Posts: 240	I got most of my seeds this year from Kath's and Marsha's awesome and generous seed offers, so I'm going to have lots of fun tomatoes this year. I have 20 varieties, and I'll probably plant about 35 - 40 plants. The first six were saved by me from last year, the next 7 are from Kath (Thank You!), the next 7 from Marsha (Thank You!) Cherokee Purple Chocolate Stripe Pineapple Green Zebra Orange Russian 117 Juliet f2 Pit Viper Pearly Pink Orange Pink Bumblebee Indigo Cherry Drops Idaho Hillbilly Lithium Sunset Girl Girl's Weird Thing Cherokee Lime Green Zebra Cherry Reverend Michael Keyes Dwarf Beauty King New Big Dwarf Tennessee Suited Wherokowhai I'm excited about the dwarf tomatoes this year, I haven't grown any of them before.