Help Me Pick!

[PNW_D]

If you are looking for something different - try Red Swan - first red I'm aware of ...
don't recall the flavour, but was a beauty in the garden

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a_G0-USW4y...0/DSC07303.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p32aDN5l4C...0/DSC07342.JPG

[Aerial]

Ahhh. I REALLY wish there's a like button on this forum so I can LIKE all your posts and suggestions.

Thanks PNW_D, I'm really excited to grow the Petit Marseillais, etc from you.

[Tormato]

Originally Posted by Worth1

I have done some research on some of my favorite beans and have discovered something.
But let me start from the beginning.
Some years ago at the HEB grocery store they sold cranberry beans but they dont anymore and I cant remember the name of the brand.
I had to look on line to find out other names for the beans.

Then I looked again at your list and see you have them in another section of your list but under a different name.
Romano.
Roma.
Are of the same type of bean as the cranberry bean.
It can also be found as a Roman bean.
These are of a flat Italian type bean and when cooked green are fantastic.

In this family of beans are the Cargamanto beans that originated in Columbia.
In my possession right now I have.
White Cargamanto that isnt really white.
Red Cargamanto that is a dark red.
Roman/romanas beans that look just like the cranberry beanand are the same thing.
In other words on your list you have duplicates more or less of the same type beans.
Red Cargamanto beans which isn't on the list is a bugger to cook correctly.
They need to soak a good 24 hours and need to cook for a long time let cool and cook again they are very firm but very tasty.
They do not break down into mush as is the case with other beans.
All of the beans like this I have are distributed by the GOYA company and the seeds/beans are viable.
You should be able to find them in the Mexican or international markets there.

I will put some pictures up of them later.
Worth

The varieties "Romano" (pole) and "Roma" (bush) are not "Cranberry" beans, although there are several varieties called Cranberry, and there's also a Roma II.

Romano has small, blocky round, tan seeds.
Roma and Roma II have small to medium sized white seeds.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Tormato

The varieties "Romano" (pole) and "Roma" (bush) are not "Cranberry" beans, although there are several varieties called Cranberry, and there's also a Roma II.

Romano has small, blocky round, tan seeds.
Roma and Roma II have small to medium sized white seeds.

I'm just saying what I found on line and what I have bought in markets.
There are different types.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...J2dbq8b73z0Ylw

[Tormato]

"Type" is different from "variety". It's agreed that romano and roma as types both mean a flat podded bean. When it gets to variety, it's a whole new ballgame.

[Tormato]

Originally Posted by PNW_D

If you are looking for something different - try Red Swan - first red I'm aware of ...
don't recall the flavour, but was a beauty in the garden

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a_G0-USW4y...0/DSC07303.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p32aDN5l4C...0/DSC07342.JPG

And for something with a bit more shock...

www.goldenpreservationfarm.com/product/flamingo-bean/

...shocking pink will do it. (the small picture on the right, of the three)

As this bean is my own selection, I do have seed.

[Father'sDaughter]

Originally Posted by Tormato

Romano has small, blocky round, tan seeds.

Roma and Roma II have small to medium sized white seeds.

A few weeks ago I came across a small jar of "blocky round, tan seeds" I (ahem) acquired from dad's bean plants two years ago when babysitting his garden. He's been growing this one (and only) bean for so long that he couldn't remember if they were Roma or Romano. Thanks for providing the answer!

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Tormato

"Type" is different from "variety". It's agreed that romano and roma as types both mean a flat podded bean. When it gets to variety, it's a hole new ballgame.

I used the word type as variety I have no idea what the point is.
All I am trying to do is help and give a little bit of the history of these beans and what they are called in different areas.

I have a roman bean and what is called a white cargagmanto bean that looks just like and cooks just like a cranberry bean.
The white one isn't white it is a reddish color with strips.
Like this.


cranberry beans I have seen.

Red cargamanto bean.

[Tormato]

Variety would be the one specific bean out of many in its type. Up here, horticultural type is what you down there would call romano, roman, or roma type. Within horticultal and/or roman types there are many, many varieties. I've seen a few Vermont Cranberry varieties, out of even more Cranberry varieties, out of even more cranberry types.

[sdambr]

I have grown these Vermont Cranberry beans, and have sent a few to the swap

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Tormato

Variety would be the one specific bean out of many in its type. Up here, horticultural type is what you down there would call romano, roman, or roma type. Within horticultal and/or roman types there are many, many varieties. I've seen a few Vermont Cranberry varieties, out of even more Cranberry varieties, out of even more cranberry types.

No kidding.
For me I have had to do what I have to do to get the beans I want.
That is to go to an international market and learn what the people in South America call them as this is where they originated.
My neighbor is from Chile and knows well what I am talking about when I call them what he calls them.
My intent was to inform the original poster that these beans were all the same type so they wouldn't be duplicating a bean more or less.
It would be like growing several different varieties of pinto beans and who the devil wants to do that.

I have a fondness for the flat type so called Italian beans regardless of what they are called or where they come from.

Worth

[Tormato]

But they really aren't the same. Her list with Romano pole, Roma II, they are vastly different to the typical cranberry/roman dry bean.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Tormato

But they really aren't the same. Her list with Romano pole, Roma II, they are vastly different to the typical cranberry/roman dry bean.

You know better than me.

worth

[seaeagle]

Originally Posted by Father'sDaughter

A couple of years ago when I was trying to pick a bush bean to grow, a few of the more experienced bean growers here told me to avoid Contender and grow Provider. Not sure how popular it is, and haven't really grown many others to compare it to, but Provider is now a staple in my garden.

I was just curious as to why they said to avoid Contender, as they have always done well for me. Unless you had heavy rains about the time they were flowering and setting beans, then they didn't do as well, but that may be the case with any.

[Father'sDaughter]

Originally Posted by seaeagle

I was just curious as to why they said to avoid Contender, as they have always done well for me. Unless you had heavy rains about the time they were flowering and setting beans, then they didn't do as well, but that may be the case with any.

Here's the thread where it was discussed -- http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=27316