Historical background information for varieties handed down from bygone days.
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I looked in my 2016 SSE Yearbook and found it listed by SSE itself, they do that a lot now, that is,if a variety hasn't been listed for many years then they get it out, grow it and produce seeds. So if you were at the time in CA, and had a user name of CA CO P, which makes sense, then that's you. BUT, you say you found it, but did not list it, so maybe it's not you. If interested I can give you the accession # and all of that but too dark now by my computer to do that.If yes,just post here. Carolyn
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Hurrah for Paul's Pink Pride! And Hurrah for Carolyn who found it!
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Carolyn: Nope, never been to California except to the Rose Bowl and parade. I think I tried to ask SSE if it was available and got some song and dance about no such thing exists and if it did it is a salad sized tomato and the one I grew was a beefsteak. I would love to try again, so send away when you have time. Thanks for the effort.
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http://ventmarin.free.fr/passion_tom.../tomates_p.htm They list on the page as Paul Pink Pride and that it from Italy, I think if I translating the words right. I can't translate the page, but maybe Carolyn is familiar with the site and the language and from there maybe she can say if you can order from that site or has an idea where to hunt for it from that site. |
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Yes, I know Ventmarin very well and have for several decades. Christian,whose site it is sells no tomato seeds,it's an informational site only. Most of the time the info is correct but Andrey in Belarus, a member here has said that not all is correct, and I would say the same for several variety descriptions. Lastly, at the site you can set it to translate to English, but it takes forever to do that and by now I know most of the french words used to describe what's there so I just leave it as it is,in French. Carolyn
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Requests are supposed to be possible until the next year book is received, and I haven't heard of anyone who has yet received it. If it does reappear in the 2017 I'll try to get some seeds for you or if I have time,possibly contact them now about it. Quite frankly, IMO things are amiss right now at SSE,so we shall see. I just checked again and seeds were from CA C0 P and no such person is listed now, but probably once was. As I said for another variety, when a variety hasn't appeared for many years SSE itself is pulling it out of the deep freeze, growing it out and SSE Listing it. I've seen that happen for some of my varieties as well, SSE is THE largest lister of varieties, not just in the 400 pages of tomato listings but in the YEarbook as a whole, so they make money from that that I guess helps with other SSE expenses. Carolyn
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![]() I tentatively believe that the cool light enables the green fruit to continue ripening a little bit more as it would have in the garden than if the fruit was ripened in a dark area. And snow jokes aside, by the time there is much mature green fruit, we are often beginning to have pretty cool nights . . . and I think most tomatoes ripen better if they've never experienced temps much below 50 F . . . so ripening temps indoors, even in a cool area indoors, may be more favorable for the tomatoes than the outside night time temps. But as Carolyn mentioned, the cooler climate here may produce results different from those seen in warmer areas. On the other hand, in hot areas, many have air conditioned houses, so it may not be that different after all . . . I just don't know. Ripening indoors does also prevent damage from critters (Malamute excepted), wet weather, etc . . . and that benefit is the same everywhere. I have grown "long keeper" varieties and while they were OK, they didn't seem to warrant the garden resources they consumed, especially since other varieties seem to keep just as well, if treated as one is supposed to treat long keeper tomatoes -- pick mature green and let ripen slowly indoors. But I did notice that Zolotoe Serdtse and Medovoe Serdtse ripened slowly and still had nice fruit around when most of the others had been eaten or processed -- probably at least a couple of months after picking, maybe longer. Might be worth a try if you're testing keeper tomatoes, anyway, to see what they do for you. Quote:
And, it's true, sadly, that most sources I've found say that Aristocrat is "believed to be extinct" or has "no known sources for seed" . . . which is why I mentioned it in this thread, and who knows, maybe one of these days . . . The Burpee Quarter Century you mentioned is interesting. Though not receiving that name until 1901, it had been introduced in 1896, only three years after Livingstone introduced Aristocrat . . . which seems to have been very popular for some years. Having a stated lineage, it probably wasn't just a renamed Aristocrat, but especially considering the 1906 reference "it might be called an improved Dwarf Aristocrat", the tomato eventually named Quarter Century might have been a deliberate attempt to duplicate Aristocrat. (Livingstone said he'd found Aristocrat in a field of Dwarf Champions, probably, he believed, an accidental cross with one of his better reds. Quarter Century was a 3rd generation offspring of a deliberate cross of a good red tomato with Dwarf Champion . . . which would mean that the initial cross was done about the time that Livingston's juicy description of the new Aristocrat -- and the released variety itself, appeared in public.) Below is Livingston's 1893 description of Dwarf Aristocrat, which I think explains its appeal for me . . . also interesting that portions of the later description of Quarter Century could almost have been lifted from Livingston's description of Aristocrat, but Aristocrat seems to have had a larger combination of appealing features that Quarter Century (and other Livingston tomatoes) lacked. ---------- From "Livingston and the Tomato" 1893 p. 42-44 16. Livingston's New Dwarf Aristocrat Tomato.— It would seem after all that has been said of the tomatoes already described, that no more could be added, or any other improvements made on them; yet there are many more points of excellence to be attained, some of which I claim are found in this new dwarf tomato which will be introduced this year—1893. It has a strong, erect, bushy stalk, that is often one and a half inches in diameter. Because of its erect bearing and dressy appearance it is called " The Aristocrat." The plants are so stalky and stiff from the time they come out of the ground that they reset without wilting or falling down, and are therefore not stunted; nearly a week on "first early'' is gained in this way. Plants can be set much closer than those of other varieties ; at least one-half more will be required to set the same plot of ground. With this advantage, and their extra productiveness, I believe under special cultivation they will produce one-third more to the acre than other kinds. It begins to bear with the earliest varieties, and does not cease bearing until frosts kill the vines. Yet because of its erectness, bushy habits, and close standing in the field, it is saved from the early frosts, and only the hard freezes in the fall will reach the fruit hid up under its foliage, and thus bears abundantly when other kinds have been entirely killed. The fruit has the peculiar quality of keeping in a dry, cool room, before decay sets in, for three or four weeks after they cannot longer be trusted in the open field. It is also a large sized tomato, of a bright glossy red color, very fine fieshed and flavored, uniformly smooth, and is an all purpose tomato for shippers, canners, market gardeners, and for fancy and remumerative home-culture. In a word, it carries the good qualities of its forerunners among my varieties, and has some others peculiar to itself. I prophesy a brilliant future for our Aristocrat. |
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I've been spreading outside Eastern Europe seeds of Zhiraf (Giraffe in English) and Zolotoe Serdtse tomato varieties for about 15 years so far.
Zhiraf (Giraffe) is the best known longkeeper tomato variety from Russia. Zolotoe Serdtse (=Heart of Gold in English) is not a longkeeper, but is a very good early variety with heart shaped gold/yellow fruit. Also from Russia.
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Toltuska Rozovyi Tsar Pylayushohee ( spelling?) Serdtse ... and so many more, especially anything that has serdtse as part of the name. ![]() Carolyn
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And rather than having a long list for folks to select from I like to be able to tell them as much as I know about each one. There are ones that my seed producers did and also ones sent to me already processed,so we shall see. So new that consulting Tania's site or Ventmarin,or Google or whatever,is not going to help. Ah well,what is,is. ![]() Carolyn
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One of my best friends parents were from Russia. We went to same school k thru 8 and then high school. We're friends to this very day. This time frame is from fifties til present. Cold War?. We didn't get the memo.
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We are quite old
![]() In the Middle Ages Belarusians shared The Great Dutchy of Lithuania/Rzeczpospolita with Polish and Lithuanian people with old Belarusian language has being used as official language ![]() ![]() Quote:
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