General information and discussion about cultivating melons, cucumbers, squash, pumpkins and gourds.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Northern Minnesota - zone 3
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Joseph, please do keep working on those bush melons, they would be fantastic space savers for smaller gardens! Do some revert to long vines in future generations, or are seeds pretty much stable once they show the trait?
Every year I long to try more varieties, but have to limit to three or four plants per garden area because of the space issue. I've even grown some in extra large containers, but normally can't seem to get more than a couple of fruit per plant that way, ground grown do way better. I'll be impatiently waiting for your bushies to become available! ![]() ![]()
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: Cache Valley, N/E of The Great Salt Lake
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: glendora ca
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I love what your doing Joseph with this bush muskmelon. Its perfect for a guy like myself who grows maximum amounts of plants on a very small footprint.
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Join Date: May 2014
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We are going to try :
Cantaloupe - Hearts of Gold Watermelon - Georgia Rattlesnake Watermelon - Missouri Heirloom Yellow Flesh Watermelon - Orangeglo Pumpkin - Seeds I saved from a huge jack-o-lantern pumpkin. |
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Idaho
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The above pics remind me that every year I mean to acquire some silver dimes to send to Joseph in exchange for seeds from his Landrace melons and watermelons. Because they're SUPER cool, and because we share a very similar climate. Need to get on that (unless you have any interest in a trade Joseph?
![]() Meanwhile, this year I'm growing - Watermelons - 4th of July Acoma Ali Baba Blacktail Mountain x Ali Baba F1 Btere x Amish Moon and Stars F1 Canada Supersweet CIT 303 CIT 336 Habhab Hamra Jumanos Korol Kuby Lajko II Ljubimec Chutora Pjatigorska Manzano Sandia Noran e Su Bak PI 593358 x Tohono O'Odham Yellow F1 Pioner Pustuni Pyong Yang 1 Raqi Sandia Los Lunas Seychelles Shindewha 3 Skorospelka Char'kovsjaja White Flesh White Wonder Zardetzki Piroshushu Melons - Aarhus Torg Acoma Acoma Light Angel Dew Baj Gua Bon Richah Chimayo Fruhes SuBes Wunder Green Fleck Ic-Kzyl Iraq 348 Khiar Taaruzy Melon De Castilla New Mexico O.odham Ke:li Ba:so Pjpei Mjalhes Qarres i Bodinak Showa Kogane Nashi Makuwa Tam Mayan Sweet Thai Golden Round Uzbek Sweetness Ali Baba and Uzbek Sweetness are the only ones that come back every year, because I love them both so much taste-wise. Everything else is new to me this year (I like to experiment). Last edited by PaddyMc; April 2, 2016 at 12:07 PM. |
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#21 |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: MA
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watermelon - Orangeglo
melon - Ichiba Kouji F1 - (Weeks) NC Giant, if I get seeds Likely some more, but no plans yet. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a)
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PaddyMC,
you are lucky to get Ljubimec Chutora Pjatigorska a very old Russian watermelon variety from 1800s. It has been respected as one of the best greehhouse watermelon for the Central part of the Russian Empire in the late 1800s - early 1900s and a very reliable open ground variety for the Russian South. Skorospelka Char'kovsjaja is also quite old watermelon variety from what know we call Ukraine from ealy 1900s. And Uzbek melons has been always win flavor contests in USSR and CIS and widely sold in open air seasonal markets. There are some bushy melons like Improved Bush, Bush midget (both from USA) and Pridnestrovskaya Kustovaya (Moldovian CV), Severnaya Papaya (Russian CV). I've trialed only Severnaya Papaya with its tropical sweet flavor.
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1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR Last edited by Andrey_BY; April 3, 2016 at 04:08 PM. |
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#23 |
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NE Louisiana, Zone 8A
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Trying Crimson Sweet watermelon and Israeli (Old Original) melon again this year. Last year was a bust with all the rain and lack of bees. Fingers crossed!
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Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Chicago-land & SO-cal
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![]() Though not in the book, I see Uzbek at Bakers, so I have an idea of what that looks like. Where would I get info about Ljubimec Chutora Pjatigorska or Skorospelka Char'kovsjaja |
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#25 |
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Idaho
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To be honest, I don't know much about any of them (most acquired in trades over the last few years). Though a few of the above melons and watermelons are from Native Seed/SEARCH.
Not knowing is partly what I love about them, it's pretty much how I garden - maximum diversity, maximum surprises. My tomatoes are almost all segregating hybrid lines, and I try to grow as many new to me varieties of everything else as I can get my hands on every year. A variety has to be pretty special to keep coming back. |
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: SC & NC
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Do not have much space for watermelons but try to manage a few plants. Last year grew Crimson Sweet and Charleston Gray (very sweet, red flesh). The Charleston variety produced one specimen that topped 40lbs...I saved some seed from that one for this year.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a)
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when you expect to find everything even in a very good book, but written by American for Americans it's like drinking Jack Daniels and pretend you know the taste of all whiskies ![]() There are thousands of melon and watermelon varieties over the world and you can't know all the best varieties without contacts with people from the major areas of their growing or at least seed collectors ![]() So Amy's book is very good, but it is not about melons worldwide ![]() And Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are two very old melon growing areas with so many great, but mostly semi-late or late season varieties. I've got seeds of several melon varieties from Uzbekistan, but they are rarely get ripen in my climate even in greenhouse... They are great for South. So it's be better to me to grow early varieties from any countries ![]() Here is some info: Ljubimec Chutora Pjatigorska watermelon - 80-90 days from germination, a plant with long wines up to 4-5m, tappered-globe 6-12 kg green fruit/berries with dark green stripes, intensive red flesh, very sweet and flavouful. Original variety is a very old Russian watermelon from 1800s. It has been respected as one of the best greehhouse watermelon for the Central part of the Russian Empire in the late 1800s - early 1900s and a very reliable open ground variety for the Russian South. Extra info: Hutor Pjatigorsk is a small village in Kharkov region one of the Russian Empire areas. Now it's in the East of Ukraine with a dominant Russian-speaking population... Lesevitskiy D.C., the breedor of this and many more Russian watermelon varieties, was a landowner of this local places and a passionate melon/watermelon grower and a docent at the Kharkov's University. He developed this variety in 1890s. There was an improved version called Ljubimec Chutora Pjatigorska 286 developed by Birechekutskaya AES before World War II in Russia. Skorospelka Char'kovsjaja watermelon - early (64-70 days), green skin with dark green stripes and spots, red crunchy flesh is very sweet. An excellent early variety. Old variety from Russian Empire from early 1900s. Again from Kharkov's region. Korol Kuby is just another very old watermelon variety from the same time late 1800s-early 1900s. It was widely used for crosses by breeders of the Russian Empire. The name has told its origin from Cuba. Ic-Kzyl melon is an old Uzbek variety. The more common spelling is Ich-Kzyl. Last time I saw so many very old melon varieties from Russian Empire is at Alan Bishop's (Homegrown Goodness) list.
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1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR Last edited by Andrey_BY; April 3, 2016 at 04:19 PM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: San Diego-Tijuana
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#29 |
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Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: SF Bay Area
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Glad to find this area of Tomatoville since melons are my favorite thing to grow. Iffy here in this chilly climate but I've found a few good ones that grow and taste good. I like sweet melons but they don't have to taste like candy...
Rocky Ford Green is top of my list. Grows and produces good sized netted melon with good tasting green flesh. Grew well last year, every other melon was meh.. Tularosa Market. Love this, very much like Crane but grows better for me. Crane farm is not far from here but in a warmer micro-climate. Honey Ace Hybrid. Growing this because I have seeds from my first year growing when I thought there was no way I could grow a melon, let alone a heirloom. Is okay. Hale's Best Jumbo. First year growing Sharlyn. First year growing Eal River first year Haogen first year No watermelons ![]() Last edited by rhoder551; April 10, 2016 at 04:04 PM. |
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Joseph, do you sell your produce in Cache Valley only, or do you make it to other farmers markets on the Wasatch Front? Those melons look fantastic, I'd love to visit and purchase from you this summer! |
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