"Mythbuster's Challenge" Tomatoville-style - Odoriko vs. Momotaro

[Gerardo]

Originally Posted by Labradors2

Try growing Eva Purple Ball alongside it and see if you can taste any difference. I grew EPB and Momotaro last year and couldn't tell them apart in either looks or taste.

Linda

Awesome. It turns out I have four Eva Purple Ball plants growing and they're barely starting to set fruit, so I can definitely do this...

[Gerardo]

Originally Posted by Fred Hempel

I have a couple OP lines selected from Momataro -- I selected a small beefsteak OP Momataro, similar in shape and size to Odoriko. The flavor is very similar to the F1 hybrid, and the plants are similarly vigorous.

Mr. Fred:

Is there any way to obtain a few seeds for any of those OP lines?

I just ordered Odoriko and it would be great to grow them in a seabiscuit/war admiral type deal.

Gracias!!.

[Fred Hempel]

Just looked in my seed stocks and I have no seed for Momotaro Beef.

The F4 seed packet was empty, which means that it was planted out, and No F5 seed was harvested. Unfortunately, a dead-end line.

This happens often, as I am continuously adding and dropping breeding lines.

[Gerardo]

I completely understand, thank you for taking a gander at the stocks.

Great saturday!

[Yak54]

I have grown Momotaro every year for the last 12 yrs. and I love it's taste, productivity, and disease resistance in my garden. TGS used to show Odoriko in their catalog about 11-12 yrs. ago, but they discontinued it before I could try it. So I guess I will have to find a source for Odoriko seeds so I can grow it next year. If it is just like Momotaro but slightly larger as described, than it would be a winner for me. Always wondered why TGS stopped offering it in their catalog. Momotaro is one of my "must grow" varieties every year, but I'm always looking to find a few others to add to my "must grow" list.

[Gerardo]

Originally Posted by Yak54

So I guess I will have to find a source for Odoriko seeds so I can grow it next year.

I dig the free shipping from Kitazawa Seed Co., seconding what a fellow Tomatovillian stated in a previous post within this thread.

http://amzn.com/B00H56IFDG

[HollyinNNV]

Dang-I was really hoping for explosions mythbuster style-with tomatoes. Oh well! Thanks for your review

[rnewste]

Originally Posted by Gerardo

I dig the free shipping from Kitazawa Seed Co., seconding what a fellow Tomatovillian stated in a previous post within this thread.

http://amzn.com/B00H56IFDG

Thanks for the link. Ordered both Odoriko and Momotaro from your link about 4 hours ago. Just received shipping confirmation from Amazon. Can't get any faster than that!

Raybo

[sjamesNorway]

I have seeds for Odoriko for next season. Has anybody had experience with how they handle disease?

Steve

[Gerardo]

Originally Posted by rnewste

Thanks for the link. Ordered both Odoriko and Momotaro from your link about 4 hours ago. Just received shipping confirmation from Amazon. Can't get any faster than that!

Raybo

Bezos runs a tight ship.

[peebee]

If you go to Kitazawa Seeds directly, those packets are $3.69 each. Shipping is high at $5.95, but it looks like its still $5.95 for your entire order, even if you buy 10 packets. There is a link on the bottom for Shipping and you can calculate based on your zip code. It's worth taking a look cuz they have a lot of interesting vegetables. Had no idea they started selling on Amazon.

[Gerardo]

Originally Posted by peebee

If you go to Kitazawa Seeds directly, those packets are $3.69 each. Shipping is high at $5.95, but it looks like its still $5.95 for your entire order, even if you buy 10 packets. There is a link on the bottom for Shipping and you can calculate based on your zip code. It's worth taking a look cuz they have a lot of interesting vegetables. Had no idea they started selling on Amazon.

I tried it out but since I was only getting the one packet, it didn't work in my favor. But I agree completely, they have some interesting offerings.

[FLRedHeart]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Ray, the translation of Momotaro is "tough boy", which always amuses me, so do you know the translation of Odoriko? ... Maybe "semi-tough boy", maybe "tough girl"?

"tough girl" was a good guess, but 踊り子 (Odoriko)'s more delicate.
Hint:


Cheers

[feldon30]

FLRedHeart, Thanks for that. Pasting Odoriko into Google Translate pointed in that direction.

[FLRedHeart]

Originally Posted by feldon30

FLRedHeart, Thanks for that. Pasting Odoriko into Google Translate pointed in that direction.

Thanks feldon, Google is my friend. It also separates the bland translation of "dancing girl"
from the cultural heritage of Odoriko by linking to this book:

"The odoriko, on the other hand, were young teenage dancers who in the
1680's became extremely popular among daimyo and upper-class samurai
households. The parents of young girls sent them to dancing teachers at high
cost for the purpose of offering them for hire --without sexual acts-- at parties
in respectable samurai households. Not only did they earn good fees, but
sometimes they found an opportunity for stable employment in a fine
household. Such young girls would be considered part of a good trousseau
when the daimyo's daughter married into another daimyo houshold.

The popularity of odoriko resulted in the proliferation of unscrupulous parents
and daughters, however, by the end of the Genroku era (1688-1703) odoriko
ceased to adhere to their original purposes or standards.
...

[By the 1750's,] Odoriko who were no longer teenagers could no longer wear
long-sleeved kimono (though some of them pretended to be young indefinitely)
began to call themselves geisha."

Odoriko was originally a Japanese heirloom tomato if you keep digging according to this blog, on the UC Agricultural and Natural Resources site, which references Fine Gardening magazine. It would be nice to get the heirloom OP seeds to grow as well :-) That's likely an error and probably the author of the cited article confused the same hybrid on further thought, since Sakata says it developed a new class of tomatoes in the 1980's which included Odoriko ... and Sun Road (considered a "super delicious tomato", LOL, time for another)
Cheers