Different foliage for tomato plants - Page 2

**carolyn137** · May 7, 2013

For Carol and DF.

Yes, those are alternatives and yes, in the past I've had to use them, but stable today, fingers crossed, and if my posts are short, I don't care if I lose them, it's just the long ones.

So why am I not answering Lindsey now?

Because I hadn't heard anything back from my tax man and it turns out I accidentally did not include two statements, so I've been in the back room looking for them, stressed as can be, found them, e-mailed him back and have had enough of today, already.

Carolyn

**carolyn137** · May 8, 2013

Trying again, and this time I'm not going to copy word for word what I wrote in my blurb for my SSE listing, I'll just kind of summarize.

Variegata, the original name, aka Variegated, is felt to come from Ireland but no clear documentation. Seeds for it appeared in France and Holland about maybe 2001 to 2003.

I was sent plants in 2003 from Greg in IN as Splash of Cream, and I don't remember where or how I met him. I asked him where he got the seeds and he said from Ed in TX. Ed has/had a website where he sold seeds for rare perennials and other rare items. I contacted him and he said he got the seeds from France from the same person he gets some of his perennial seeds from.

He gave me the e-mail and the man in France answered me ASAP and said he receied the seeds as Variegata but CHANGED the name to Splash of Cream after a perennial flower that also had variegation.

The seeds that i saved from those initial plants in 2004 I SSE listed, sent them to several seed sites, offered them here after 2006, etc.

At the same time Kees Sahin, now deceased, of Sahin Seeds in Holland, sent seeds to SSE as well.

So shortly after I first SSE listed it SSE did their own seed production and listed it in the public catalog.

The default color of tomato foliage is green, several shades of green for different varieties. The leaf variegation is shades of cream and sometimes pale yellow depending on the degree of foliage cover, the UV and most importantly the temps. With high temps the variegation disappears completely and then returns as temps drop near the end of the summer.

Stems can also show variegation and immature green fruits have a wedge of darker green at the stem end but ripen up red.

A couple of links.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...or.r_qf.&cad=b

The above link is from a general Google search and you can see that the first link is to Tomatoville where this has been discussed many times. Some other links show pictures but I'm going to link to Google IMAGE to show you those.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...KabX0QGYj4CYCQ

You click on the smaller picture to enlarge it. You can clearly see that the variegation even differs from picture to picture b'c that's what happens with this variety depending on temps and foliage cover and UV.

So there you go and again, not a tri-colored leaf variety for all the reasons and pictures I've referred to.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

linzelu100 · May 8, 2013

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

Sure does, thank you

Lindsey

zeroma · May 9, 2013

Marktutt, Where did you get your plant markers? I love them. The tomatoes are cook too, but I really love the readability of your labels.

Boutique Tomatoes · May 9, 2013

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Originally Posted by zeroma

Marktutt, Where did you get your plant markers? I love them. The tomatoes are cook too, but I really love the readability of your labels.

I ordered the plastic markers from a nursery supply company and then I print out sheets of adhesive labels by doing a mail merge with my grow list. If I'm not being lazy I put a piece of tape over the label to keep it from getting wet/discolored.

I'd have to find the label number, but they're small little ones that are 80 to a sheet.

Then I do something different for labeling them in the garden since these will bleach out, but it works well for the seedling stage.

dice · May 18, 2013

I have 4 seedlings of Dancing with Smurfs this year. Up to about 3 inches,
they looked a bit like the F2 from Mark's Double Helix farms seeds. As
the true leaves grew out, they were transplanted into containers, and
watered in with fish emulsion and kelp (higher nitrogen than phosphate
and potassium), the true leaves turned green, and now they mostly
look green. (I have not taken a close look at the stems to see if they
still have the purple tint that the whole seedlings had before they
were transplanted.)

May 7, 2013	#16
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	For Carol and DF. Yes, those are alternatives and yes, in the past I've had to use them, but stable today, fingers crossed, and if my posts are short, I don't care if I lose them, it's just the long ones. So why am I not answering Lindsey now? Because I hadn't heard anything back from my tax man and it turns out I accidentally did not include two statements, so I've been in the back room looking for them, stressed as can be, found them, e-mailed him back and have had enough of today, already. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

May 8, 2013	#17
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Trying again, and this time I'm not going to copy word for word what I wrote in my blurb for my SSE listing, I'll just kind of summarize. Variegata, the original name, aka Variegated, is felt to come from Ireland but no clear documentation. Seeds for it appeared in France and Holland about maybe 2001 to 2003. I was sent plants in 2003 from Greg in IN as Splash of Cream, and I don't remember where or how I met him. I asked him where he got the seeds and he said from Ed in TX. Ed has/had a website where he sold seeds for rare perennials and other rare items. I contacted him and he said he got the seeds from France from the same person he gets some of his perennial seeds from. He gave me the e-mail and the man in France answered me ASAP and said he receied the seeds as Variegata but CHANGED the name to Splash of Cream after a perennial flower that also had variegation. The seeds that i saved from those initial plants in 2004 I SSE listed, sent them to several seed sites, offered them here after 2006, etc. At the same time Kees Sahin, now deceased, of Sahin Seeds in Holland, sent seeds to SSE as well. So shortly after I first SSE listed it SSE did their own seed production and listed it in the public catalog. The default color of tomato foliage is green, several shades of green for different varieties. The leaf variegation is shades of cream and sometimes pale yellow depending on the degree of foliage cover, the UV and most importantly the temps. With high temps the variegation disappears completely and then returns as temps drop near the end of the summer. Stems can also show variegation and immature green fruits have a wedge of darker green at the stem end but ripen up red. A couple of links. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...or.r_qf.&cad=b The above link is from a general Google search and you can see that the first link is to Tomatoville where this has been discussed many times. Some other links show pictures but I'm going to link to Google IMAGE to show you those. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...KabX0QGYj4CYCQ You click on the smaller picture to enlarge it. You can clearly see that the variegation even differs from picture to picture b'c that's what happens with this variety depending on temps and foliage cover and UV. So there you go and again, not a tri-colored leaf variety for all the reasons and pictures I've referred to. Hope that helps, Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

May 18, 2013	#21
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	I have 4 seedlings of Dancing with Smurfs this year. Up to about 3 inches, they looked a bit like the F2 from Mark's Double Helix farms seeds. As the true leaves grew out, they were transplanted into containers, and watered in with fish emulsion and kelp (higher nitrogen than phosphate and potassium), the true leaves turned green, and now they mostly look green. (I have not taken a close look at the stems to see if they still have the purple tint that the whole seedlings had before they were transplanted.) __________________ -- alias

May 9, 2013	#19
zeroma Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 637	Marktutt, Where did you get your plant markers? I love them. The tomatoes are cook too, but I really love the readability of your labels.