No Roots Tomato Grafting Video - Page 2

Delerium · June 14, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Like it? I love it! Pure genius!

Glad you liked it! Been posting about this on the Grafting thread with all the other tomato grafters. It's so nice to be able get a group together and problem solve. Lots of fun. That's what makes Tomatoville really cool! Now i am trying to learn to Cross pollinate plants hehe.. Gotta keep learning!

Delerium · June 15, 2013

Grafting Buddies! Check out the latest crazy idea i came up with lol.. Grafting on to Tomato Leaf branches. I don't see why it wouldn't work. haha. Plus its so much easier to graft on to and match stem size.

aclum · June 15, 2013

Hi Delerium,

When I did the eggplant rootstock grafts the stems matched up in diameter, but the eggplant stem was older and more hardened off and tough to cut. Today I went out in the garden and set my calipers to the diameter of a normal ping tung eggplant planted at the same time as the one used for grafting. Then, with the caliper set, I compared it to the diameters of the eggplant rootstock and tomato stem graft as shown in the attached photos. Interestingly, the ungrafted stem of the normal ping tung was the same diameter as the tomato stem!

I'm growing ping tung, kamo, bride, ichiban, and Antigua eggplant this year. I want to try grafting a cutting from my Santa Clara Canner (which is getting a lot of BER this year - I think due to uneven watering mainly) onto a ping tung stem using your method.

The vegetable MD website that lists various resistances of vegetables (don't have the link handy but comes up on google easily), lists "stress" tolerance as one of its good qualities and the kitazawa catalog describes it as "prolific .... very sturdy, vigorous, and resistant to bacterial wilt .... tolerant of heat and moisture." I've read that the "professionals" use a hybrid eggplant (with "wild" eggplant genes), but I think the ping tung should work for me.

BTW, I love your leaf graft idea! You're on a roll

!

Anne

Redbaron · June 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by Delerium

Grafting Buddies! Check out the latest crazy idea i came up with lol.. Grafting on to Tomato Leaf branches. I don't see why it wouldn't work. haha. Plus its so much easier to graft on to and match stem size.

Now I know why you chose Delerium as a nickname!

Delerium · June 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Now I know why you chose Delerium as a nickname!

So any thoughts? I am betting that it's going to work. Now what I am really curious about is if the plant is now less stressed since its not cut in half - now its more like a tomato clone with 2 chances of the graft taking. Even if one fails i can re-graft on to it again. I have made several grafts like this today and going to make a few more. I feeling extremely deliriously optimistic lol. I will post a picture later for a update.

rwsacto · June 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by Delerium

Grafting Buddies! Check out the latest crazy idea i came up with lol.. Grafting on to Tomato Leaf branches. I don't see why it wouldn't work. haha. Plus its so much easier to graft on to and match stem size.

I had to go back and look again to understand what you did, exactly!

There must be someone on this forum educated enough to tell you why it won't work, but...

"It ain't me, Babe, wo wo wo"

Also, great grafting video. I hope to try it soon-if I can find room for one more tomato plant!

Rick

Delerium · June 15, 2013

Only problem is if this works my old video becomes obsolete lol! And it will be leaps and bounds easier to Graft. If you don't want the growing tip you can easily chop that off to. But no reason to. I will be testing this method out with Marla's (maxifort, multifort & Beaufort seeds she sent me). So far no wilt on this graft i did earlier today. Since then I have made 7 more grafts like this. If i can get 100% success I am going to be doing a tomato happy dance for sure.

Redbaron · June 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by Delerium

So any thoughts? I am betting that it's going to work.

No I don't think it will work, HOWEVER, no way I am betting against you!

Delerium · June 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

No I don't think it will work, HOWEVER, no way I am betting against you!

Why if i may ask? I've seen flower clusters turn in to growing tips. My odds are looking good at this point (no wilt yet). Will know for sure in about 10 days. If it doesn't wilt within the next 3 days then I will be a happy camper.

Redbaron · June 16, 2013

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Originally Posted by Delerium

Why if i may ask? I've seen flower clusters turn in to growing tips. My odds are looking good at this point (no wilt yet). Will know for sure in about 10 days. If it doesn't wilt within the next 3 days then I will be a happy camper.

Because a leaf has a differentiated cell structure.

Think of it like this. If you bury a leaf it doesn't root, but if you bury a stem it roots. Even if you bury a stem with leaves on it, the leaves die away and the stem roots. I see no reason for the graft not to take, but if the plant hormones cant change the growth pattern back, the graft would outgrow it or be stunted or just fall off.

However, I still am not betting against you because there is a possibility of the hormones in the scion changing the leaf back into the type of cells in the stem. You never know till you try. I would have never thought to even try.

But then again I would have never thought to try rootless grafts either! Pure genius!

PS. There is a tropical plant, (I forget the name) that can actually root and grow a whole new plant just from a leaf, even just part of a leaf. So I am not saying it is impossible. Just saying I'll believe it when I see it!

Delerium · June 16, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Because a leaf has a differentiated cell structure.

Think of it like this. If you bury a leaf it doesn't root, but if you bury a stem it roots. Even if you bury a stem with leaves on it, the leaves die away and the stem roots. I see no reason for the graft not to take, but if the plant hormones cant change the growth pattern back, the graft would outgrow it or be stunted or just fall off.

However, I still am not betting against you because there is a possibility of the hormones in the scion changing the leaf back into the type of cells in the stem. You never know till you try. I would have never thought to even try.

But then again I would have never thought to try rootless grafts either! Pure genius!

PS. There is a tropical plant, (I forget the name) that can actually root and grow a whole new plant just from a leaf, even just part of a leaf. So I am not saying it is impossible. Just saying I'll believe it when I see it!

Okay good point. I have started 7 test grafts. Still optimistic

Salsacharley · June 16, 2013

It would seem to me that if you grafted suckers onto leaves that might improve the odds. You could make a "Christmas Tree" plant of cherry tomatoes with multiple varieties grafted onto the same rootstock. (Theoretically).

p.s. Delerium thanks for clarifying the type of DE being used.

JamesL · June 17, 2013

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Originally Posted by Delerium

Grafting Buddies! Check out the latest crazy idea i came up with lol.. Grafting on to Tomato Leaf branches. I don't see why it wouldn't work. haha. Plus its so much easier to graft on to and match stem size.

D,
Great stuff you are working on! And I like the Y wing.....

Delerium · June 17, 2013

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Originally Posted by JamesL

D,
Great stuff you are working on! And I like the Y wing.....

Thanks

! You should see all our Vintage Star Wars toys lol! My daughter doesn't play with barbies.. she plays with Darth Vadar!

Delerium · June 17, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbaron

Because a leaf has a differentiated cell structure.

Think of it like this. If you bury a leaf it doesn't root, but if you bury a stem it roots. Even if you bury a stem with leaves on it, the leaves die away and the stem roots. I see no reason for the graft not to take, but if the plant hormones cant change the growth pattern back, the graft would outgrow it or be stunted or just fall off.

However, I still am not betting against you because there is a possibility of the hormones in the scion changing the leaf back into the type of cells in the stem. You never know till you try. I would have never thought to even try.

But then again I would have never thought to try rootless grafts either! Pure genius!

PS. There is a tropical plant, (I forget the name) that can actually root and grow a whole new plant just from a leaf, even just part of a leaf. So I am not saying it is impossible. Just saying I'll believe it when I see it!

Hey

what do you think now? Day 2 still looking good! I am almost over the 3 day hump.

June 16, 2013	#27
Salsacharley Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,052	It would seem to me that if you grafted suckers onto leaves that might improve the odds. You could make a "Christmas Tree" plant of cherry tomatoes with multiple varieties grafted onto the same rootstock. (Theoretically). p.s. Delerium thanks for clarifying the type of DE being used. Last edited by Salsacharley; June 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM. Reason: misspelling

June 15, 2013	#22
Delerium Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: California Posts: 942	Only problem is if this works my old video becomes obsolete lol! And it will be leaps and bounds easier to Graft. If you don't want the growing tip you can easily chop that off to. But no reason to. I will be testing this method out with Marla's (maxifort, multifort & Beaufort seeds she sent me). So far no wilt on this graft i did earlier today. Since then I have made 7 more grafts like this. If i can get 100% success I am going to be doing a tomato happy dance for sure.