Black krim Strains - Page 2

Mojave · July 14, 2013

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Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

I got 15 pounds of the largest black krim I ever saw yesterday from a farmer from North Georgia named Nicholas. He said he has been saving seed for many years.

Every tomato was a good 18 ounces - and he had hundreds of pounds. I will save seed from the largest perfect oblate - I will call it the Nicholas Black Krim, since his first name is Nicholas.

Wow, sounds interesting, and tasty!

Any pictures?

**carolyn137** · July 14, 2013

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Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

I got 15 pounds of the largest black krim I ever saw yesterday from a farmer from North Georgia named Nicholas. He said he has been saving seed for many years.

Every tomato was a good 18 ounces - and he had hundreds of pounds. I will save seed from the largest perfect oblate - I will call it the Nicholas Black Krim, since his first name is Nicholas.

Scott, if you add a name to those seeds, and only from one fruit, I think you know that ASAP you're creating a new so called strain of BK when in fact what he grew this year could have been the result of the very heavy rains in GA, as well as how he grew them and what amendments he used and all the other variables that go into the size of fruits in any one season.

I just reviewed the sizes of fruits reported by those who list it in the SSE Yearbook and most say 8-12 oz.

Obviously you can do what you want to but I'd hate to see a new strain made on the basis of fruit size.

One year due to rain my Dr. Carolyn Pink cherries were golf ball size due to the rain and several varieties had huge fruits, not normal for the varieties, due to too much rain.

Carolyn

ScottinAtlanta · July 14, 2013

OK, Carolyn, I just hate to take someone's seeds of an extraordinary tomato with no credit for years of work. I will grow them out next year - if they seem to be again of an unusual size, would that be an acceptable excuse for naming this little strain?

jennifer28 · July 14, 2013

I love black tomatoes.

I was posting about this in another thread, and then I forgot to mention Pruden's black, which is a cross between bedouin and pruden's purple and can be purchased from J and L Gardens....

Now as far as black krim I prefer Noire De Crimee. It is saltier and more flavorful to me.

cythaenopsis · July 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by jennifer28

Now as far as black krim I prefer Noire De Crimee. It is saltier and more flavorful to me.

I'm intrigued. I looked it up on Heritage Tomato Seed and they say "Noire De Crimee is a strain of Black Krim." About 3-8oz fruits on average. Is it about as easy or easier than Black Krim to grow?

jennifer28 · July 15, 2013

Well the fruit is smaller and more round for noire de crimee so I found that it ripened faster and I got more of it faster. There were concentric ring cracks on the top of some but overall less cracking on the noire de crimee for me. Some people hate it and call it a vile bag of seeds but I love it. Both are easy to grow but the fruit of the noire de crimee is ready faster.

I know many people who grow black krim in containers and I bet you could grow noir de crimee in a container also... but I am not a big container grower... I grow kimberly in containers during the winter at a school where I teach but I've never grown a krim strain in one... but I bet you could, easily.

jennifer28 · July 15, 2013

Oh and here is an old thread about Noire De Crimee

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=25854

It was Carolyn who gave me the idea to grow noire de crimee in the first place.

NarnianGarden · July 15, 2013

Thanks for that info, Jennifer. Anything that ripens relatively fast is a bonus in these latitides

I'll have to try the Noire de Crimee some time. My BK babies are probably not ready till end of August.... sigh.

**carolyn137** · July 15, 2013

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Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

OK, Carolyn, I just hate to take someone's seeds of an extraordinary tomato with no credit for years of work. I will grow them out next year - if they seem to be again of an unusual size, would that be an acceptable excuse for naming this little strain?

I don't think so b'c while I gave you the average size reported there were some as large as you've noted and when I have time, not now, I'll go back and fish out more of the data for you.

He just saved his own seeds, which many do, which can't be said to be years of work IMO and I bet in different years he too had different sized BK's.

Carolyn

Carolyn

kevn357 · July 16, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

I got 15 pounds of the largest black krim I ever saw yesterday from a farmer from North Georgia named Nicholas. He said he has been saving seed for many years.

Every tomato was a good 18 ounces - and he had hundreds of pounds. I will save seed from the largest perfect oblate - I will call it the Nicholas Black Krim, since his first name is Nicholas.

That's interesting. Last year, my in-laws belonged to a co-op and they got these huge black tomatoes from it, one was just massive and weighed about 24 ounces. I was intrigued so I started a thread here about it and emailed the farm that they came from. They said they were black krims. So I saved the seed and am growing them along with the usual black krims. I haven't compared them yet so I have nothing to offer at this time.

I have a map of my plantings and will go check it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences between the two. I'm growing 1 of each of 50 different varieties so I have no idea what is what besides the black cherry and sungold that are the only ones ripening. Everything else is just a green tomato at this point!

cythaenopsis · July 17, 2013

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Originally Posted by jennifer28

Oh and here is an old thread about Noire De Crimee

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=25854

It was Carolyn who gave me the idea to grow noire de crimee in the first place.

Thanks, Jennifer. Nice to know about this variety. Have you heard of Dwarf Rosella Purple? I just learned about this from Alfredo, who lives in my state and found it trumps Black Krim in several respects.

**carolyn137** · July 18, 2013

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Originally Posted by cythaenopsis

Thanks, Jennifer. Nice to know about this variety. Have you heard of Dwarf Rosella Purple? I just learned about this from Alfredo, who lives in my state and found it trumps Black Krim in several respects.

Many of us have been following the Dwarf Project here at Tville, and here's a list of all the ones released to date, seed sources, and if you click on the individual ones listed, usually comments from others and pictures.

And yes, Rosella Purple is there.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/C..._Dwarf_Project

Carolyn, who notes that essentially the same information is given in the Forum here for the Dwarf Project.

cythaenopsis · July 18, 2013

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Many of us have been following the Dwarf Project here at Tville, and here's a list of all the ones released to date, seed sources, and if you click on the individual ones listed, usually comments from others and pictures.

Thanks, Carolyn. I hadn't stumbled onto the Dwarf Project yet. Sounds very interesting and I like the premise.

July 14, 2013	#18
ScottinAtlanta Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 2,593	OK, Carolyn, I just hate to take someone's seeds of an extraordinary tomato with no credit for years of work. I will grow them out next year - if they seem to be again of an unusual size, would that be an acceptable excuse for naming this little strain?

July 14, 2013	#19
jennifer28 Two-faced Drama Queen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital Posts: 955	I love black tomatoes. I was posting about this in another thread, and then I forgot to mention Pruden's black, which is a cross between bedouin and pruden's purple and can be purchased from J and L Gardens.... Now as far as black krim I prefer Noire De Crimee. It is saltier and more flavorful to me.

July 15, 2013	#21
jennifer28 Two-faced Drama Queen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital Posts: 955	Well the fruit is smaller and more round for noire de crimee so I found that it ripened faster and I got more of it faster. There were concentric ring cracks on the top of some but overall less cracking on the noire de crimee for me. Some people hate it and call it a vile bag of seeds but I love it. Both are easy to grow but the fruit of the noire de crimee is ready faster. I know many people who grow black krim in containers and I bet you could grow noir de crimee in a container also... but I am not a big container grower... I grow kimberly in containers during the winter at a school where I teach but I've never grown a krim strain in one... but I bet you could, easily.

July 15, 2013	#23
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	Thanks for that info, Jennifer. Anything that ripens relatively fast is a bonus in these latitides I'll have to try the Noire de Crimee some time. My BK babies are probably not ready till end of August.... sigh.