Jimson Weed Grafting - Page 2

VC Scott · June 12, 2014

Jimsom weed is a host for Tomato Russet Mites. It is a bad idea to have it anywhere near your tomato patch.

Sun City Linda · June 12, 2014

I just looked it up because I didn't know what it was. Wow, that stuff grows wild all around me. I have wondered before how it survives - hard to kill I suppose.

Cole_Robbie · June 12, 2014

It helps that animals won't eat it. I guess they can smell it's poisonous. Cows, horses, and even deer won't touch it. I don't think any farm animal will. It grows unabated here until the first good frost kills it off in the fall.

Redbaron · June 12, 2014

Two of my friends from High School, one of them a very good friend, are dead now because of Jimson Weed. One died directly from eating the seeds. The other was in a coma 2 weeks, and when he came out of his coma, never was the same. Less than a year later he blew his brains out with a 45.

There is NO WAY I would EVER even consider playing around with grafting tomatoes on Jimson weed rootstock EVER for ANY reason.

Further I would STRONGLY recommend that anyone even considering it or who has done it in the past STOP.

mensplace · June 12, 2014

[QUOTE=Redbaron;417095]Two of my friends from High School, one of them a very good friend, are dead now because of Jimson Weed. One died directly from eating the seeds. The other was in a coma 2 weeks, and when he came out of his coma, never was the same. Less than a year later he blew his brains out with a 45.

Agreed! I would add castor beans and pennyroyal.

snugglekitten · August 15, 2014

Jimson Weed was explored in Carlos Castaneda's books.

Of course Carlos made his gold by selling lies to eager hippies.

It sounds like the consensus is that Jimson weed is a bad idea.

Henbane seems milder and a possible alternative to the worst of the nightshades.

If anyone knows anything about the latter, please let me know.

Tracydr · August 15, 2014

Use white rats. Or, mice.
Actually, pigs are often used because their physiology isn't much different from us. Can you get some mini pot belly pigs?
Best idea would be to find a chemistry professor to test results for you.

NarnianGarden · August 16, 2014

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Two of my friends from High School, one of them a very good friend, are dead now because of Jimson Weed. One died directly from eating the seeds. The other was in a coma 2 weeks, and when he came out of his coma, never was the same. Less than a year later he blew his brains out with a 45.

There is NO WAY I would EVER even consider playing around with grafting tomatoes on Jimson weed rootstock EVER for ANY reason.

Further I would STRONGLY recommend that anyone even considering it or who has done it in the past STOP.

So sorry to hear that

Hope you don't mind me asking, how did your friends end up eating those seeds? Was it out of ignorance or on purpose to get high?
We have lots of dumb behavior here, alcohol poisoning being a major cause of death for teenagers, but I never have heard kids or teenagers dying because of poisonous herbs / berries - hopefully that will never happen.

Some of the stuff found growing in nature is so toxic that one should recognize that just to keep away. We have some very toxic mushrooms and flowers, but I wonder if the new generation ever learns about them these days.

barkeater · August 16, 2014

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Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

It helps that animals won't eat it. I guess they can smell it's poisonous. Cows, horses, and even deer won't touch it. I don't think any farm animal will. It grows unabated here until the first good frost kills it off in the fall.

Cole_Robbie, I suspect you just gave the best response to your own question of whether or not feeding deer jimson grafted poison tomatoes would work.

Tracydr · August 16, 2014

It doesn't help that the Clan of the Cave Bear series makes Datura seem like an awesome trip.

On the topic of wild solonacea, what is the weed that looks like eggplants with little fruit that look like tiny Thai eggplants? I've seen them in AZ and now I have some at our house in NC.

**carolyn137** · August 17, 2014

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Originally Posted by Tracydr

It doesn't help that the Clan of the Cave Bear series makes Datura seem like an awesome trip.

On the topic of wild solonacea, what is the weed that looks like eggplants with little fruit that look like tiny Thai eggplants? I've seen them in AZ and now I have some at our house in NC.

Maybe the following, which I've grown, called Solanum integrifolium, but I don't know where it might grow wild, I didn't check .

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...eggplant+seeds

Or maybe you can find it here or in another Google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum

Carolyn

Worth1 · August 18, 2014

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Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

So sorry to hear that

Hope you don't mind me asking, how did your friends end up eating those seeds? Was it out of ignorance or on purpose to get high?
We have lots of dumb behavior here, alcohol poisoning being a major cause of death for teenagers, but I never have heard kids or teenagers dying because of poisonous herbs / berries - hopefully that will never happen.

Some of the stuff found growing in nature is so toxic that one should recognize that just to keep away. We have some very toxic mushrooms and flowers, but I wonder if the new generation ever learns about them these days.

More than likely to get high.

All the news here has to do is report that kids are getting high on deadly plants and they come out of the woodwork to try it.

I think some of it has to do with trust.
They have been lied to about pot so now they simply dont believe anyone.
Or they are just stupid but who knows for sure.

I know grown men with families that have tried salvia and the stuff they call bath salts.
What are they thinking these are middle class middle aged men with little children to care for.
How can they be so stupid and selfish as to jeopardize their children's welfare to get high.

It ticks me off when I hear this garbage and I jump them out for it.

Worth

snugglekitten · August 18, 2014

People will try to get high on anything.

Unlike certain insects we have no inborn genetic alarm to warm us against our own stupidity.

Look up "Jenkum" but its not for the feint of heart.

Makes you wonder how our species survived against the other animals who have more common sense.

Tracydr · August 18, 2014

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Maybe the following, which I've grown, called Solanum integrifolium, but I don't know where it might grow wild, I didn't check .

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...eggplant+seeds

Or maybe you can find it here or in another Google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum

Carolyn

None of those but it looks a little like the wild potato or the belladonna. It has a purple flower just like eggplant. The fruits are about the size of a marble and start out green with mint green top. They turned to yellow before getting pulled up and disposed of.
I saw them here in NC and something very similar in AZ as well.
I'm absolutely sure it's just some sort of wild, probably toxic, solanum.

Tracydr · August 18, 2014

Delete duplicate, slow internet speed here in the country and dropped connection

June 12, 2014	#19
Redbaron Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,488	Two of my friends from High School, one of them a very good friend, are dead now because of Jimson Weed. One died directly from eating the seeds. The other was in a coma 2 weeks, and when he came out of his coma, never was the same. Less than a year later he blew his brains out with a 45. There is *NO WAY* I would *EVER* even consider playing around with grafting tomatoes on Jimson weed rootstock *EVER* for *ANY* reason. Further I would *STRONGLY* recommend that anyone even considering it or who has done it in the past *STOP. __________________ Scott* AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture Last edited by Redbaron; June 12, 2014 at 02:45 PM.

August 15, 2014	#21
snugglekitten BANNED Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Land of the White Eagle Posts: 341	Jimson Weed was explored in Carlos Castaneda's books. Of course Carlos made his gold by selling lies to eager hippies. It sounds like the consensus is that Jimson weed is a bad idea. Henbane seems milder and a possible alternative to the worst of the nightshades. If anyone knows anything about the latter, please let me know. Last edited by snugglekitten; August 15, 2014 at 04:18 PM.

June 12, 2014	#16
VC Scott Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 352	Jimsom weed is a host for Tomato Russet Mites. It is a bad idea to have it anywhere near your tomato patch.

June 12, 2014	#17
Sun City Linda Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Inland Posts: 2,705	I just looked it up because I didn't know what it was. Wow, that stuff grows wild all around me. I have wondered before how it survives - hard to kill I suppose.

June 12, 2014	#18
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	It helps that animals won't eat it. I guess they can smell it's poisonous. Cows, horses, and even deer won't touch it. I don't think any farm animal will. It grows unabated here until the first good frost kills it off in the fall.

June 12, 2014	#20
mensplace Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,013	[QUOTE=Redbaron;417095]Two of my friends from High School, one of them a very good friend, are dead now because of Jimson Weed. One died directly from eating the seeds. The other was in a coma 2 weeks, and when he came out of his coma, never was the same. Less than a year later he blew his brains out with a 45. Agreed! I would add castor beans and pennyroyal.

August 15, 2014	#22
Tracydr Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Laurinburg, North Carolina, zone 7 Posts: 3,207	Use white rats. Or, mice. Actually, pigs are often used because their physiology isn't much different from us. Can you get some mini pot belly pigs? Best idea would be to find a chemistry professor to test results for you.

August 16, 2014	#25
Tracydr Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Laurinburg, North Carolina, zone 7 Posts: 3,207	It doesn't help that the Clan of the Cave Bear series makes Datura seem like an awesome trip. On the topic of wild solonacea, what is the weed that looks like eggplants with little fruit that look like tiny Thai eggplants? I've seen them in AZ and now I have some at our house in NC.

August 18, 2014	#28
snugglekitten BANNED Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Land of the White Eagle Posts: 341	People will try to get high on anything. Unlike certain insects we have no inborn genetic alarm to warm us against our own stupidity. Look up "Jenkum" but its not for the feint of heart. Makes you wonder how our species survived against the other animals who have more common sense.