Heirloom Marriage Big Brandy

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I agree, "I don't think Brandy Boy is a cross btw Brandywine x Big Boy. I've seen this alleged elsewhere, but think it's an unfounded assumption".
I read many years ago that it was a cross between Brandywine (pink-clear skin/red flesh) x Lemon Boy (yellow skin/yellow flesh). " A red tomato - yellow skin and red flesh are dominant".
Dutch

My mistake! Lemon Boy has clear skin which would make a F1 cross of clear skin x clear skin = clear skin. A pink tomato - clear skin and red flesh.
Dutch
P.S. I have done many crosses with yellow tomatoes and some times it has been very difficult to find the yellow expressions in the grow outs.

[Gardeneer]

Is Big Brandy an OP ?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

Is Big Brandy an OP ?

Hi Gardeneer,
The Brandy Boy that Burpee sells is marketed as a F1 (Hybrid).
Dutch

[Gardeneer]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Hi Gardeneer,
The Brandy Boy that Burpee sells is marketed as a F1 (Hybrid).
Dutch

Thanks Dutch. I new that.
So when they crossed it with NBD the result should be F1 ?
On the other hand, many people have taken Brandy Boy up to F10 and remained true.
I grew Brandy Boy (F1 from Burpee) last year. This year I am growing NBD.

Gardeneer

[Dutch]

Hi Gardeneer,
Yep, A cross between Brandy Boy and NBD would result in a F1 or in colloquial terms a hybrid.

I would like to make it clear that I have not said that I think Lemon Boy is or is even likely a parent of Brandy Boy. To an open mind many things are possible.

Thank you Gardeneer for steering us back on topic.
Dutch

[Labradors2]

Hey guys! I know it's confusing, but we're talking about "Big Brandy" here not "Brandy Boy".

Big Brandy only came out last year and is (they say) a cross between Big Dwarf and Brandywine. It appears that not too many people have grown it yet.

Linda

[Gardeneer]

Originally Posted by Labradors2

Hey guys! I know it's confusing, but we're talking about "Big Brandy" here not "Brandy Boy".

Big Brandy only came out last year and is (they say) a cross between Big Dwarf and Brandywine. It appears that not too many people have grown it yet.

Linda

Yeah. But Brandy Boy is one of the parents of big brandy.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

Yeah. But Brandy Boy is one of the parents of big brandy.

If New Big Dwarf and Brandywine are what make Big Brandy where does Brandy Boy come in.?

Or is there a tomato called just Big Dwarf?

Asking here not saying.

Worth

[Labradors2]

Here's the blurb from Tomato Grower's Supply

BIG BRANDY HYBRID Big Brandy Hybrid #2625 (30 seeds) This terrific heirloom-hybrid is a result of crossing Brandywine with New Big Dwarf. The hybrid is much higher yielding and earlier to mature than its heirloom parents, with all of the great flavor and fewer blemishes. Regular-leaved plants bear pink beefsteaks that weigh 12 to 16 ozs. and have all the wonderful taste of the original heirlooms. Indeterminate. 75 days

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I just noticed that this one says "New" Big Dwarf, whereas other sellers say just "Big Dwarf."

I hope this helps to sort out the confusion.

Linda

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by Labradors2

Here's the blurb from Tomato Grower's Supply

BIG BRANDY HYBRID Big Brandy Hybrid #2625 (30 seeds) This terrific heirloom-hybrid is a result of crossing Brandywine with New Big Dwarf. The hybrid is much higher yielding and earlier to mature than its heirloom parents, with all of the great flavor and fewer blemishes. Regular-leaved plants bear pink beefsteaks that weigh 12 to 16 ozs. and have all the wonderful taste of the original heirlooms. Indeterminate. 75 days

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I just noticed that this one says "New" Big Dwarf, whereas other sellers say just "Big Dwarf."

I hope this helps to sort out the confusion.

Linda

New Big Dwarf is the correct name or in the 1915 catalog Isbell's New Big Dwarf.
Confusing because it is over 100 years old and a cross between Ponderosa and Dwarf Champion.


Worth

[travis]

All these heirloom crossed hybrids (Big Brandy, Chef's Choice, etc. etc. ) are produced by a subsidiary of Ball Seeds, I don't recall the exact name of the division.

I emailed one of the breeders regarding Genuwine, and was told they're using a potato leaf, pink Brandywine as a parent, so I assume they're using the same breeding line in Big Brandy.

That means you should be able to grow F2s from Big Brandy and get 25% dwarf with pink fruit, some PL rugose, most RL rugose

[travis]

While professional breeders have used F1 hybrids as inputs to the development of true breeding parent lines, those lines are routinely stabilized to open pollinated breeding lines prior to use as parental inputs.

I don't really think professional breeders at Ball or Peto would use F1 hybrids, regardless of whether anyone views these hybrids as "stable," as breeding parents for certified F1 hybrid seed lots intended for the home gardening market because doing so will not result in uniform heterozygous seed lots.

That is the reason I replied to posts that suggested Big Boy or Lemon Boy as possible parents for Brandy Boy.

I apologize if my posts derailed or confused the discussion of Big Brandy.

[Dutch]

Thanks Linda for getting us back on topic. My bad.

Per Territorial Seed Company;
Heirloom Marriage™ Big Brandy Tomato
“75-80 days. Heirloom Marriage™ Big Brandy was the result of crossing 2 classic heirloom tomatoes, Brandywine and Big Dwarf, for a 12-15 ounce, husky tomato with distinctive, deeply pleated fruit that's juicy, sweet, and balanced with a touch of acid. This beautiful, blushing beefsteak has all its parents' cherished qualities along with earlier production, higher yields, fewer blemishes on the fruit and better all around garden performance. Semi determinate plants”. http://www.territorialseed.com/produ...dy-tomato-seed

Per Tomato Growers Supply Company;
BIG BRANDY HYBRID
“Big Brandy Hybrid #2625 (30 seeds) This terrific heirloom-hybrid is a result of crossing Brandywine with New Big Dwarf. The hybrid is much higher yielding and earlier to mature than its heirloom parents, with all of the great flavor and fewer blemishes. Regular-leaved plants bear pink beefsteaks that weigh 12 to 16 ozs. and have all the wonderful taste of the original heirlooms. Indeterminate. 75 days”. http://www.tomatogrowers.com/BIG-BRA...ductinfo/2625/

Dutch

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by travis

All these heirloom crossed hybrids (Big Brandy, Chef's Choice, etc. etc. ) are produced by a subsidiary of Ball Seeds,I don't recall the exact name of the division.
I emailed one of the breeders regarding Genuwine, and was told they're using a potato leaf, pink Brandywine as a parent, so I assume they're using the same breeding line in Big Brandy.

That means you should be able to grow F2s from Big Brandy and get 25% dwarf with pink fruit, some PL rugose, most RL rugose

I believe Seminis holds the trademark rights to Brandy Boy and perhaps Big Brandy too.

Dutch

[travis]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I believe Seminis holds the trademark rights to Brandy Boy and perhaps Big Brandy too.

Dutch

http://www.ballseed.com/PlantInfo/?phid=062006567031229

I realize that page erroneously attributes Big Dwarf and Brandywine as the parents of EVERY Heirloom Marriage hybrid product. Obviously an editing problem.

My point is simply that Ball Seed developed these hybrids through one of their subsidiaries or divisions, The name of which I will try to find again. But I'm working on my phone and don't have access to my stored favorites in my laptop. It may take me a while.

And I don't keep up with all the mega-corporation mergers, acquisition, and sales, vid a vis Seminis, Monsanto, Novaris, etc.