Cherokee Tomato

[drew51]

Interesting so many mutations. Isn't also Indian Stripe from this line? And we have at least three of them. Not sure? I don't really follow this stuff closely. Tomatoes are not a passion with me. I just want sauce. I'm more passionate about stone fruits, and brambles.
I grew Cherokee Purple last year but the fruit was more pink than purple. I thought maybe I got a cross, but considering all these mutations it may be a mutation? The fruit was excellent.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by drew51

Interesting so many mutations. Isn't also Indian Stripe from this line? And we have at least three of them. Not sure? I don't really follow this stuff closely. Tomatoes are not a passion with me. I just want sauce. I'm more passionate about stone fruits, and brambles.
I grew Cherokee Purple last year but the fruit was more pink than purple. I thought maybe I got a cross, but considering all these mutations it may be a mutation? The fruit was excellent.

I wouldn't consider IS to be a line of CP since it was found independently by Donna Nelson in Arkansas.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

When I first SSE listed it, seeds from Donna,I had traced the migration of some Cherokee from some southern states to Oklahoma and found that they had several routes west and families left the others and settled along the way.

Then at GW many years ago someone from Arkansas posted she was Cherokee and wanted to know more about it.

We now know that CP was not 100 yo due to some gf analyses as Craig was told by John Green.

All sorts of folks have made suggestions as to where CP amd IS came from, there are many threads here and elsewhere about that.

Rather than going into that I'll just say that I very much like both CP and IS, and the subtle differences Tania mentions. Tania also says IS is a strain of CP but I prefer to say a version of it. and yes, I sent seeds of IS directly to Craig L and he agreed that it was very similar.

About the word purple as part of a variety name. from the late 1800's onward anything with purple in the name meant pink. There are very few varieties that I know of that actually do have some purple, and I'm not talking about the more recent explosion in interest in the breeding of antho ones,

Carolyn

[drew51]

Thanks for the info, mine just seemed a lot lighter than ones pictured, so i bought more Cherokee Purple seeds from another source. As no way was mine that dark. The tomato pictured is almost fully ripe. I must say the names are confusing, purples are not purple, pastes are not pastes. If it was up to me, I would scrape the name for something else that described the tomato better.

[seaeagle]

I just counted the tomatoes on my one Cherokee Green plant and there are over over 30 tomatoes on this plant and still setting. This plant is a beast, way more productive than either of my Cherokee Purple.

Walked around the whole plant, counted from bottom to top to make sure I did not double count and if anything under counted. I just hope I like the taste

Now I wish I had grown Cherokee Chocolate, always next year.

[ContainerTed]

Let them get a bit "amber" in the skin and you'll find a "citrusy" version of Cherokee Purple's deep, complex flavor.

Yeah, I guess I like them too.

[seaeagle]

Thank You very much Ted, will have plenty of chances to get it right

[Spartanburg123]

Wow, thanks Travis for a very informative history of the Cherokee line. Does the variegated Cherokee Purple called "Faelan's First Snow" also belong in the list of mutations? I am growing it this year, and it is a beautiful plant with delicious CP tomatoes....

Frlturner- you may want to consider giving this one a try, it's really a beautiful plant!

Darin

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Spartanburg123

Wow, thanks Travis for a very informative history of the Cherokee line. Does the variegated Cherokee Purple called "Faelan's First Snow" also belong in the list of mutations? I am growing it this year, and it is a beautiful plant with delicious CP tomatoes....

Frlturner- you may want to consider giving this one a try, it's really a beautiful plant!

Darin

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=38857

As I recall the variegated Cherokee Purple turned up in more than New Hampshire as Travis mentioned. Actually I know it did since there were pictures and discussions at the original Garden Web. I remember one person saying,grow it again, and if you don't see the variegation you'll know it was bird poo that dropped by.

Would someone please tell me who named it Faelens First Snow,and why that name?

I did a quick search myself and found that the word faelen means little wolf, which amused me since I know someones e-mail addy has little wolf as part of it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fael...&bih=788&dpr=1

Carolyn

[ddsack]

The person who named it Faelan's First Snow was "lochlainn" the person who found it in a tray of Cherokee Purple at the garden store where he worked, and first posted about it in July of 2012 on another message board (not Garden Web.) He was only there for a fairly brief time and distributed seeds to many of the members. It appears to be stable since it's now 2017, and my plants look just like his original photos.

Here is what he wrote on the other board at the time:

"I am crossing my fingers and hoping that it grows true to type from seed.
In the event that it does grow true to type from seed, I have named this selection 'Faelan's First Snow'. Faelan mean's "young wolf" in Old Irish Gaelic. I must admit that I have a weakness for anything Medieval, from books, to games, to movies. Faelan is one of the character names that I have used in the past in both stories and gaming. The "First Snow" part of the name alludes to the imagery of a light early snow that has fallen on plants that are still green which the variegation reminded me of."