PL black heart

[True Timbers]

Originally Posted by MissS

It sounds as if you have had a mutation occur. Do the fruits taste the same from both the PL and RL plants? Do you notice any other differences such as time of ripening or amount of fruit set?

I was selecting for the best performance in the hoop house. Pretty much was also always selecting high quality end of season fruit. (IMO, black heart is a great, picked green storage tomato.).

The fruits. I noticed no taste difference, I perceive the pl fruits to taste better, but that is likely I finally learned to not let black tomatoes get overripe!!! Lol

Productivity, more a function of growing condition. Big funky flowers often times.

Then heart shape was never that strong in this tomato IMO. But the texture is classic heart. Very meaty with small gel/seed cavities.

2010 got original seeds from tomatofest. I did not grow in 2014.

[True Timbers]

Originally Posted by Tormato

My years of searching has only produced about 2 dozen "possible" PL hearts of ANY color. No blacks. I posted a list awhile back. About half of those 2 dozen may not even exist as PLs, hearts, or both. There is no way of knowing what is currently in development.

Your best chance of getting the best selection from the F3's is to have others help you, with you setting some rules.

As for me, I honor others rules, while basically setting none of my own (though that may have to change if I again host the MMMM swap next year).

Are you doing anything with the Glacier? possible PL heart?

And, are there any F2 seeds left that produced the above F3's? I'd gladly trial some and send back anything/everything that you'd want, with your rules of not sharing (or sharing) with others. The longer you sit on older experimental stuff, the harder it is to get back to, as things multiply and you move in several directions.

Gary

Gary the F2 are not BBH, So I have F1 and F3 seed. I owe it to this tomato. It woke me up to doing a lot more seed saving than I used too. Being a market farmer, I worked the concept into my line up, and believe ones own lines are are a good thing.

I will count seeds, likely 3 of you.

[Tormato]

TT,

Your post must have popped up while I was writing an answer to the previous post. My questions about F2's and Glacier? was for Karen. But...I got your PM, and would be interested in your BBH PL seed.

[True Timbers]

Originally Posted by Tormato

TT,

Your post must have popped up while I was writing an answer to the previous post. My questions about F2's and Glacier? was for Karen. But...I got your PM, and would be interested in your BBH PL seed.

That's fine, pm where to send them and I will get them out while fresh on my mind. Send back whatever you would like to see at market, in a cool maritime climate.

[KarenO]

Originally Posted by Tormato

My years of searching has only produced about 2 dozen "possible" PL hearts of ANY color. No blacks. I posted a list awhile back. About half of those 2 dozen may not even exist as PLs, hearts, or both. There is no way of knowing what is currently in development.

Your best chance of getting the best selection from the F3's is to have others help you, with you setting some rules.

As for me, I honor others rules, while basically setting none of my own (though that may have to change if I again host the MMMM swap next year).

Are you doing anything with the Glacier? possible PL heart?

And, are there any F2 seeds left that produced the above F3's? I'd gladly trial some and send back anything/everything that you'd want, with your rules of not sharing (or sharing) with others. The longer you sit on older experimental stuff, the harder it is to get back to, as things multiply and you move in several directions.

Gary

Hi Gary

I will have help with the F3's I decide to grow out and I think I will concentrate on the PL hearts to start. When I made the cross, my wishful thinking was that it might produce an interesting PL heart and it did but the other most important thing to me is to breed a tomato that does well here in my northern garden. It is very important to me that selections be made from plants grown up here in zone 3. Now a tomato developed up here will likely do well elsewhere but a tomato developed elsewhere might not do well here. There have been very few really good OP indeterminate tomatoes developed up here and my goal is to produce more than one. A group of "True north tomatoes" is what I mean to have at the end of it all and you will be one of the very first to get stable seed since you have done so much for me by making me into a tomato addict with your swaps
The crossed "glacier" I grew last year was a sort of blunt heart. It looked quite promising while green but it was quite late. It ripened a light red but had uneven ripening with yellow shoulders and a really odd almost "fishy" bland taste.
Karen

[salix]

Karen, if you need more more help/grow space in zone 3, you know I'll be glad to lend a hand.