Paradajz Volovsko Srce Val

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by GunnarSK

I have (and have grown) seeds of Bawole Serce from PNOS Ożarów Mazowiecki, and Carolyn told that the variety is the same as Sertse Buivola (PNOS O.M. has a Russian text on the packet which says Serdtse Buibola, but the "Buibola" looks like an error). Some of the Polish vendors also mention "Cuor di Bue" as an alternative name along with the fruit type "Oxheart", and they are not quite clear in describing the colour (red, pink, pinkish red or reddish pink), but I guess I can settle that by looking at the epidermis.

Gunnar, I've tried to find the thread where Bawole Cerce was said to be the same variety as Serdste Buivola, by Andrey, someone said they were listed differently at Ventmarin and I remember that Andrey said that everything at Ventmarin was not always correct.

I grew Serdste Buivola last summer and Bawole Cerce this past summer and the fruits were identical pink hearts, not the most perfectly formed hearts, kind of chunky, but still pink hearts.

Cuor di Bue has always been a red heart as grown by me and many others but I recall reading a thread somewhere, I think it had to do with Baker Creek offering the wrong German Strawberry, and I think I remember that in Italy now they're using Cuor di Bui in a generic sense instead of the single variety as a red heart that it's always been know as.

[GunnarSK]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Cuor di Bue has always been a red heart as grown by me and many others but I recall reading a thread somewhere, I think it had to do with Baker Creek offering the wrong German Strawberry, and I think I remember that in Italy now they're using Cuor di Bui in a generic sense instead of the single variety as a red heart that it's always been know as.

I ordered the Cuor di Bue and got it from Baker Creek, so this year I'll get to see it and maybe compare it to the Polish Bawole Serce. Anyway it's good to go to the sources and try out a multiple of varieties.

[Jazdoma]

Answers are here:
Bawole Serce:
http://www.gnis.fr/index/action/page...tdate/28-02-09

Cuor d bue:
http://www.gnis.fr/index/action/page...tdate/04-01-07

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Jazdoma

Answers are here:
Bawole Serce:
http://www.gnis.fr/index/action/page...tdate/28-02-09

Cuor d bue:
http://www.gnis.fr/index/action/page...tdate/04-01-07

I think partial answers.And I think partial b'c it depends on who registered the varieties with that organization.

Serdste Buivola is originally from the CIS as Andrey in Belarus has said, and Bawole Cerce is the same variety as expressed in Polish/

Cuor di Bui has always been known as a red heart from Italy going way way back. But the same red heart is also known as Cuore de Toro in Spanish, but there are also pink variants of the latter. And that's understandable since a single mutation of the epidermis color can change the color of the fruit; a clear epidermis means a pink fruit and a change to a yellow epidermis means a red fruit. I have both pink and red variants of several different varieties but try to distribute seeds only for the color I know the variety originally appeared as.

So if a variety is a dark pink sometimes it looks red and that's why I peel off a small piece of the epidermis and check the color of it. It helps to have a known red and a known pink to check at the same time to be sure.

Someone asked about the difference between the words oxheart and bulls heart above.

There is no real difference as I see it. Both adjectives refer to a variety that's heart shaped, If you were to look at the listings in the SSE YEarbook your see many heart shaped varieties listed from many areas of Europe and the US, some are pink, some are red and the shapes of them can be different.

Meaning, a variety such as Wes has a very blunt heart shape as does Serdste Buivola/ Bawole Cerce as opposed to something like German Red Strawberry that has a beautiful tapering heart shape.

I've loved every single heart shaped variety I've grown and I've grown many of them. Production may not be as much as with non-heart varieties but they're meaty and have great taste.

About names. Riesentraube is a wonderful small red with a nipple at the end of each fruit. Most folks think it's German in origin b'c the name is in the German language, but the variety is known in many countries and in one, I don't remember the country off hand, nor do I remember the spelling in that country, is known as Goat's T$t. But we have Riesentraube b'c it was from the German Seed bank at Gatersleben/

A last comment. I was surprised to see that both links above referred to tomatoes as Lycopersicon lycopersicon when the genus name for tomatoes was changed several years ago back to Solanum and the species name is not always uniform since it can be S. Lycopersicon, S. lycopersicum( mainly in Europe) and S. esculentum.

[Marko]

Volovsko (Volovo) Srce is widely distributed through Europe under different names. Volovsko Srce Val is improved VS by seed company Semenarna Ljubljana. I don't know what the improvement was, since I've never grown VAL.
My grandmother used to grow tons of VS and as far as I remember it was pink. I think VAL is red, but I'm not sure. Never tasted one either.
I scanned seed packet of VS, you'll notice Italian translation of the name.
The second picture is VAL from seed catalog. VAL has ribbed shoulders like some new bottom heavy oxhearts varieties.

[Jazdoma]

As I said b4 there are a lot of oxhearts. We must include genetics and genome. The first are descriptors:
http://indoplasma.or.id/deskriptor/I...or%20tomat.pdf
and after that we can take a look at :
http://solgenomics.net/phenome/indiv...vidual_id=9568
and
http://solgenomics.net/phenome/indiv...vidual_id=7515
good starting point is also:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/main/site_ma...de=19-10-05-00

[velikipop]

VAL, sounds like an interestng tomato, which company sells the seed.? I would like to try it and compare it with the other hearts from the former FRY, to see if there is any difference between them.

Alex

[Marko]

Alex, I think VAL isn't availible online, but I can send you some seeds if you're interested.