Help needed; Andrey, Alex, Tania, etc.

[michael johnson]

Very -entertaining reading throughout,most enjoyable,

I only wish to add:- the Haulm is always refered to as the pod of the bean or pea after you have removed the beans/peas, Broad bean haulms in particular are saved and used as a cure for warts on the fingers, if rubbed on the wart for a few days it dies and drops off.

[carolyn137]

Stay calm Andrey and Tania, for I'm going to try and indicate what that variety Gorgeous Gift looks like to me.

But first, for sure Red Giant is Krasnyi Velikan.

I'm going to list the Russian letters first, with explanations, then next I how interpreted them but I couldn't match up everything, so good luck in trying to understand what I've written.

Gorgeous Gift

reversed upside down L
reversed N
Another reversed upside down L
A
H
T

Which I read as G_gant

The the second word is:

B
E
greek lambda, upside down V
reversed N
K
O
upside down V
E
like an H with the top closed and no middle line
H
b
I
reversed N with a squiggle on top of it

Which I read as:

vyl_kolypn_v__

I'm not sure if E is a y or an i.

Ok, so I tried.

And now after this exercise I shall open a forbidden bag of Guittard Bittersweet Onyx buttons.

[Tania]

Гигант Великолепный, correct?

Gigant Velikolepnyi

Never heard of this variety before

[carolyn137]

Гигант Великолепный, correct?

Not quite, I don't think.

Second word , third letter is written as an upside down V and repeated in the seventh letter in that word. If what you have there is supposed to be an upside down V, which I think is an l ( ell) than all is OK.

Yes, I just lookd again and in your translation you have it as an "l". Sorry.

Gigant Velikolepnyi

(Never heard of this variety before)

If Gigant means Giant as in large, generous, big, etc. maybe the translation should be Generous Gift instead of Gorgeous Gift?

Does that second word Velikolepnyi mean anything close to gift?.

Did I do pretty good as a beginner Tania?

[bcday]

I hope it's OK to mention this here, because I don't know a word (or a letter) of Russian.
There is a tomato named Гигант великолепный listed on these web sites:
http://www.sorta.h12.ru/c-tomato-v.html
http://tomat.nm.ru/sortmain/sort16.htm

[PNW_D]

Here is what babble fish suggests:

Giant is splendid - Гигант великолепный
- medium-ripe type is tomato for the protected soil of English selection. Plants are full-grown, fruits with mass 200-300 g, fleshy, ribbed not of correct form practically without the seeds, the outstanding taste. Tightness of fit of 2-2,5 plants on square meter.

[Tania]

Carolyn, I think the translation you've got is not correct, since 'Gigant Velikolepnyi' is nothing close to 'Gorgeous Gift'

Velikolepnyi means 'splendid'.

[Andrey_BY]

BCday has used some of my traditional sources for identification of different varieties. Denise's translation of the info is right, but me too has never heard this variety with the name Gigant Velikolepnyi or translated name Magnificent or Splendid or Gorgeous Giant

But since they had mentioned it is an English variety I hope Mr. Johnson will enter to this game again :wink:

[michael johnson]

English variety- no it couldnt be,!!!. But I cant read or understand a single word of it anyway, but it's entertaining none the less.

[bcday]

Google translated it as Mammoth Excellent and also said English breeding. I did wonder if it was an English variety that had been exported to Eastern Europe and now was coming back to Carolyn in Russian.

And while Babelfish said planting density 2-2.5 plants per square METER, Google translated it into 2-2.5 plants per square MILE!

Andrey, what kind of sites are those that I listed above? Do they belong to a seed company, or are they forums, or seed-swapping sites, or just someone's personal web sites?

[Andrey_BY]

Bcday, they are someone's personal web-sites. Their owners just collect infos about different vegetable varieties at their sites. Most of this info is true, but I've already seen some mistakes, but it's less than 0,5% of all info collected there...

Now you see how rich is Russian language especially when you try to follow the whole cell English-Russian-english :wink:

Mammoth Excellent is a new target for our translating game

[carolyn137]

Google translated it into 2-2.5 plants per square MILE!

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I can do that, yes I can. I'll ask Martha to raise one plant and plant it here at my property and then I'll ask bcday to raise several and ask her to send me one and I'll have someone plant the other one in front of the now being restored 1800's Courthouse

BC, are you up to including this one with Sherrill, just for the heck of it, and maybe Danko and Tsar of Bells, or I can try and recruit some others to do seed production. Sherrill, Tsar of Bells and Danko have FIRST priority.

So we have these names to look for:

Mammoth Excellent
Gorgeous Giant
Splendid Giant
Magnificent Giant.

If 3/4 have Giant as part of the possible name how do we get to Mammoth Excellent from there, asks Carolyn a bit puzzled?

I mean if Mammoth is standing in for Giant, then we could have:

Mammoth Gorgeous
Mammoth Splendid
Mammoth Magnificent

And being of half English heritage, I don't know, but the English seem to name their varieties with more restraint than those possibilities as they usually act with restraint in most areas.

Since there's no consensus, it seems perhaps it's time to go Mammoth hunting. :wink:

It seems to me we have a mystery here to solve and one even more mysterious than Grub's mystery one that keeps giving him more and more surprises.

And thank you all so very much for your inputs in helping. This has been thoroughly enjoyable and as for me, I guess I'll just start Googling the name possibilities when I get time today and if any of you want to join me, let's go for it. But I MUST get my TAX stuff collected today, or else, and that has the highest priority right now.

[bcday]

I think my favorite misnamed tomato is the one Babelfish translated as "Calcium sulfate Paris early". As if anyone would name a tomato that!
Google translated it as "Shyolkovo Early".
The name I was trying to translate was found on http://www.ncseeds.ru/ as Щелковский ранний.
Is that the one we know as Schelkovski Early?

Carolyn, I'll be happy to reserve space to grow any or all. Bring 'em on! 8)

[carolyn137]

Carolyn, I'll be happy to reserve space to grow any or all. Bring 'em on!

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May the tomato Goddesses and Gods bless you with a long productive human life bc, and I'll write a letter of recommendation for you and deposit it with them for future use whenever the "time" comes.

[Andrey_BY]

I think my favorite misnamed tomato is the one Babelfish translated as "Calcium sulfate Paris early". As if anyone would name a tomato that!
Google translated it as "Shyolkovo Early".
The name I was trying to translate was found on http://www.ncseeds.ru/ as Щелковский ранний.
Is that the one we know as Schelkovski Early?

Yes, it is Shchelkovskiy Ranniy (~Early from Shchelkovo (Rus.>Eng.)) which is a very reliable early cropper
Shchelkovo is a small town in Moscow region (very close to Moscow city) where this Seed company NC Seeds is located :wink: