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**carolyn137** · September 6, 2016

Just noting that Joe Bratka named it Eva Purple Ball,not Eva's, and I have no idea who first put that apostrophe there,which is wrong

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Eva_Purple_Ball

And yes,I think the Ortho product being referred to is Ortho Garden Disease Control,the one with 29 % active ingredient,chlorothalonil, which works great for helping to prevent the common fungal foliage diseases. It works well for many folks including me.

I mentioned the 29 % product since Ortho makes it in different concentrations,higher amts of chlorothalonil to be diluted to be put in a tanker truck for use on golf courses,etc. Bonide makes similar products as well.

Carolyn

nhardy · September 6, 2016

I saw it both ways. If you type from memory you we what you type. In the bigger picture it is not that important is it Carolyn. Or do you have a need to pick on newbies who type late at night?

**carolyn137** · September 6, 2016

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Originally Posted by nhardy

I saw it both ways. If you type from memory you we what you type. In the bigger picture it is not that important is it Carolyn. Or do you have a need to pick on newbies who type late at night?

You saw what both ways,sorry,I'm not following.

I went back and read the thread and didn't see where I had picked on anyone in this thread, actually you are the only person to even say that I have picked on anyone,and I've been here since the first day this site opened back in 2006.So please let me know who I picked on here.

I'm here to help answer questions ,as me Carolyn,and as a Global Mod to help prevent threads from getting out of whack/ contentious,whatever words fit best.

Thanks,

Carolyn

imp · September 6, 2016

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Just noting that Joe Bratka named it Eva Purple Ball,not Eva's, and I have no idea who first put that apostrophe there,which is wrong

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Eva_Purple_Ball

And yes,I think the Ortho product being referred to is Ortho Garden Disease Control,the one with 29 % active ingredient,chlorothalonil, which works great for helping to prevent the common fungal foliage diseases. It works well for many folks including me.

I mentioned the 29 % product since Ortho makes it in different concentrations,higher amts of chlorothalonil to be diluted to be put in a tanker truck for use on golf courses,etc. Bonide makes similar products as well.

Carolyn

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Originally Posted by nhardy

I saw it both ways. If you type from memory you we what you type. In the bigger picture it is not that important is it Carolyn. Or do you have a need to pick on newbies who type late at night?

The correct name for a variety is important, perhaps you do not think so or perhaps you do think so.

But you were rude with out reason.

Don't think you are a "newbie" at 79 posts or better, but what does being a self claimed newbie have to do with good manners?

Scooty · September 6, 2016

I'm going to offer an alternate explanation. Carolyn's insistence on precision, notwithstanding, something as simple as punctuation can prove to be a huge problem down the road when tracking heirloom names.

Remember, many heirlooms get shared in places where English is not the primary language. Conjugation and syntax doesn't always follow those of germanic languages, which includes English. Spanish is a common example where the translation for a possessive adds a word(s) instead of a few characters on the end of the subject. So say it goes out of the US once and then comes back a few generations or many years later. Backtranslated to English, we'd probably end up with something like the Purple Ball of Eva's. Which would sound different enough to make us think it might be a new variety. There are plenty of similarly named varieties where you could see this as a problem. Austin's Black Cherry vs Black Cherry. Was that Austin the person or Austin the place? Maybe Austin Black Cherry? I think there's even a variety named "Russian" that's different from "Russians" (CJ's).

Translations themselves aren't always precise, and so translating an incorrect name only makes things harder to trace once they go overseas. Many of Fred Hempel's varieties that have made their way to China are good examples, which at least have the benefit of being easy to identify visually. If we were just compared two red beefsteaks.... the problem gets much more complicated.

Also, we've seen these issues arise when heirlooms that originate from other countries where they use a language other than English get introduced or shared with us here in the states. I'm sure there are others who have grown more tomatoes that can provide better examples.

I don't think anyone is being slighted or lectured for making an honest typo. Obviously, it'd be preferable to always use the correct name.

Ed of Somis · September 7, 2016

My two cents....Big Beef has been a tomato machine for me. Some of my heirlooms I rate higher in taste...but BB tastes good. It's like the Timex watch..."it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'" haha.

PS On the subject of hybrids and OP's...sometimes folks can get a little emotional about OP's. I get that. I am not nearly as knowledgeable as some folks here (regarding tomatoes). My best tasting maters are always OP's. However, this year I planted 2 hybrids and 11 varieties of OP's. There are only 2 plants now that are healthy. Guess which two???

Scooty · September 7, 2016

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Originally Posted by Ed of Somis

My two cents....Big Beef has been a tomato machine for me. Some of my heirlooms I rate higher in taste...but BB tastes good. It's like the Timex watch..."it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'" haha.

PS On the subject of hybrids and OP's...sometimes folks can get a little emotional about OP's. I get that. I am not nearly as knowledgeable as some folks here (regarding tomatoes). My best tasting maters are always OP's. However, this year I planted 2 hybrids and 11 varieties of OP's. There are only 2 plants now that are healthy. Guess which two???

Have you tried a grafted heirloom?

Ed of Somis · September 7, 2016

scoot...I have not tried that. Do you graft your own or buy them grafted? What are the advantages? I know a little bit about grafting and growing avocados, though. This year a grafted avo tree of mine almost set a world record (Guinness) for the largest avocado (4.83 lbs). I missed by one ounce! ouch!

My Foot Smells · September 7, 2016

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Originally Posted by Ed of Somis

scoot...I have not tried that. Do you graft your own or buy them grafted? What are the advantages? I know a little bit about grafting and growing avocados, though. This year a grafted avo tree of mine almost set a world record (Guinness) for the largest avocado (4.83 lbs). I missed by one ounce! ouch!

Wow, that's a big one!!

imp · September 7, 2016

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Originally Posted by My Foot Smells

Wow, that's a big one!!

Get the BIG bowl!

Scooty · September 7, 2016

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Originally Posted by Ed of Somis

scoot...I have not tried that. Do you graft your own or buy them grafted? What are the advantages? I know a little bit about grafting and growing avocados, though. This year a grafted avo tree of mine almost set a world record (Guinness) for the largest avocado (4.83 lbs). I missed by one ounce! ouch!

I graft my own. Improved vigor, productivity, disease resistance. I have several grafted Black Krim right now doing better than Big Beef.

Gardeneer · September 7, 2016

Yes, the advantage of grafting comes from the root system of the root stock. Therefore, eg, by grafting a cherry to a root stock of beefsteak you are still going to get cherry tomatoes but maybe more of them.
But the main advantage of grafting tomatoes comes from the soil borne disease resistance of the root stock.

September 6, 2016	#16
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Just noting that Joe Bratka named it Eva Purple Ball,not Eva's, and I have no idea who first put that apostrophe there,which is wrong http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Eva_Purple_Ball And yes,I think the Ortho product being referred to is Ortho Garden Disease Control,the one with 29 % active ingredient,chlorothalonil, which works great for helping to prevent the common fungal foliage diseases. It works well for many folks including me. I mentioned the 29 % product since Ortho makes it in different concentrations,higher amts of chlorothalonil to be diluted to be put in a tanker truck for use on golf courses,etc. Bonide makes similar products as well. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

September 6, 2016	#20
Scooty Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago-land & SO-cal Posts: 583	I'm going to offer an alternate explanation. Carolyn's insistence on precision, notwithstanding, something as simple as punctuation can prove to be a huge problem down the road when tracking heirloom names. Remember, many heirlooms get shared in places where English is not the primary language. Conjugation and syntax doesn't always follow those of germanic languages, which includes English. Spanish is a common example where the translation for a possessive adds a word(s) instead of a few characters on the end of the subject. So say it goes out of the US once and then comes back a few generations or many years later. Backtranslated to English, we'd probably end up with something like the Purple Ball of Eva's. Which would sound different enough to make us think it might be a new variety. There are plenty of similarly named varieties where you could see this as a problem. Austin's Black Cherry vs Black Cherry. Was that Austin the person or Austin the place? Maybe Austin Black Cherry? I think there's even a variety named "Russian" that's different from "Russians" (CJ's). Translations themselves aren't always precise, and so translating an incorrect name only makes things harder to trace once they go overseas. Many of Fred Hempel's varieties that have made their way to China are good examples, which at least have the benefit of being easy to identify visually. If we were just compared two red beefsteaks.... the problem gets much more complicated. Also, we've seen these issues arise when heirlooms that originate from other countries where they use a language other than English get introduced or shared with us here in the states. I'm sure there are others who have grown more tomatoes that can provide better examples. I don't think anyone is being slighted or lectured for making an honest typo. Obviously, it'd be preferable to always use the correct name. Last edited by Scooty; September 6, 2016 at 11:46 PM.

September 7, 2016	#21
Ed of Somis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Somis, Ca Posts: 649	My two cents....Big Beef has been a tomato machine for me. Some of my heirlooms I rate higher in taste...but BB tastes good. It's like the Timex watch..."it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'" haha. PS On the subject of hybrids and OP's...sometimes folks can get a little emotional about OP's. I get that. I am not nearly as knowledgeable as some folks here (regarding tomatoes). My best tasting maters are always OP's. However, this year I planted 2 hybrids and 11 varieties of OP's. There are only 2 plants now that are healthy. Guess which two??? Last edited by Ed of Somis; September 7, 2016 at 12:46 AM.

September 7, 2016	#27
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,919	Yes, the advantage of grafting comes from the root system of the root stock. Therefore, eg, by grafting a cherry to a root stock of beefsteak you are still going to get cherry tomatoes but maybe more of them. But the main advantage of grafting tomatoes comes from the soil borne disease resistance of the root stock. __________________ Gardeneer Happy Gardening !

September 6, 2016	#17
nhardy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: St. Louis Posts: 82	I saw it both ways. If you type from memory you we what you type. In the bigger picture it is not that important is it Carolyn. Or do you have a need to pick on newbies who type late at night?