Getting Started 2017 - Page 2

dmforcier · December 22, 2016

Cheese pepper? Never heard of it. Likewise Penot Noir, though "F1" makes it sound like a cross or sport.

Bell and jalapeno, you're on your own.

Chile de Arbol is very tasty, but very little flesh. Dried is good but using it fresh is almost pointless.

Alma Paprika is excellent; quite similar to Apple Pimento in flesh and flavor, though the pods are quite different.

Again, I recommend Grenada Seasoning (wrote it wrong above).

Gardeneer · December 25, 2016

Past season (2016) I took a year off from growing peppers. Reason being, had plenty of sauce, pods and powder from 2015. But missed the fresh eating types. So this year I am going back. Here is my tentative list :

Hots and What Not:

Trinidad Scorpion
Red Habanero
Choc. Habanero
Scotch Bonnet
Thai Hot
Chinese 5 color

Not So Wild
Numex Sunset
Numex twilight
Lemon Drop
Golden Cayenne

Milld
Hung. Yell. Wx
Big Jim
Fresno
Jalapeno
Aleppo

Sweets
Italian Pepperoncini
Greek pepperoncini
Sweet Banana
Alma paprika
Shisheeto
Red Marconi

AND THATS ALL

AlittleSalt · December 27, 2016

Been working on the list. It's still tentative even though I got the 72 cell seed starter bleached and ready today. Right now, the list is looking like this:

Peppers for 2017

Bell
Enjoya
Keystone Giant
Margaret's Bell
Mini Bell Chocolate
Mini BellOrange
Mini Bell Red
Pinot Noir F1
Yolo Wonder

Paprika
Alma
NuMex Garnet
Leutchauer

Chili Relleno Types
Anaheim
Ancho San Luis
New Mexico Improved
NuMex Big Jim
NuMex Heritage 6-4
Poblano

Jalapenos
Fooled You F1
Jalapeno Grande
Mammoth Jalapeno
Purple

Hot
Serrano
Tabasco

Not Hot
Cheese, Orange
Cheese, Red
Jimmy Nardello
Padron
Pepperoncini
Pepperoncini from Pisa, Italy
Santa Fe Grande
Sheepnose Pimento
Shish!to
Sweet Banana
Sweet Cayenne
Topepo Rosso

Other
Aji Dulce
Aji Fantasy
Chili de Arbol
Garden Salsa F1
Guajillo

Ornamental
Aurora
Bolivian Rainbow
Chinese 5 Color
Gemstone

The ones in bold, we have grown before - and could be replaced.

Worth1 · January 2, 2017

To everyone surprise I may not start one darn seed this year.
Tomato or pepper.
I have found it cheaper to buy the peppers and I might grow maybe four tomato plants.
The rest will be Okra central.
Out of all of the sauces I made the Hab sauce came out the winner by far.
I have just about went through one quart.
Worth

agee12 · January 2, 2017

Here's my quandary, where to start my plants - fyi this will be my first year growing from seed. I have an unoccupied basement area that gets good sun. It does not get icebox cold but it does fall below 60 degrees, am I correct that the seedlings should be in an area that is above 60 degrees? One thought is to get some heat mats. I am low on funds - it's not that I can't afford heat mats at all, but I have to figure out everything I need to get for the upcoming season and I may not be able to afford everything so I have to prioritize.

The second option is setting up a grow area in my bedroom. The basement gets way better light so if I grow in my bedroom I will have to rig up lights. The upside to creating a grow area in my bedroom is that it will meet the temperature requirement, it will be constantly attended and I need a reason to clear things out of the room that I have no use for. The downside is the clean up part will take time, if only because I will do it it incrementally. It may be easier said than done because I will still have to move in shelves and lights, they will be shop lights. These will not be new purchases, rather things already around the house and garage. Another factor is that I know that shop lights are not that energy efficient but I don't know how inefficient they are, so it's possible that I am adding costs by an increased electricity bill.

As I write this out I am leaning towards the basement option but may work on clearing an area in my room in case we get an extended cold snap and want to move the plants to a warmer part of the house.

Worth1 · January 2, 2017

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Originally Posted by agee12

Another factor is that I know that shop lights are not that energy efficient but I don't know how inefficient they are, so it's possible that I am adding costs by an increased electricity bill.

As I write this out I am leaning towards the basement option but may work on clearing an area in my room in case we get an extended cold snap and want to move the plants to a warmer part of the house.

This is not hard to figure out at all.
Watts/Volts = Amps.
Amps X Volts = Watts.
Watts/Amps = Volts.

Here is an example of what I did last year.
I used 12 100 watt CFL lights that drew 24 watts each.
12X24=288.
288/120=2.4 amps.
Good blender will draw at least 600 watts which will be 5 amps.

With my above calculations I was able to shower 1200 watts of energy down on a space around 3 foot by 4 foot with no noticeable increase in my electric bill.
I powered this contraption with a small 16 gauge lamp cord.
I knew it would work because I was able to figure the amps at 2.4.
That cord never even got warm much less hot.
Math does not lie.

Worth

Jimbotomateo · January 2, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worth1

To everyone surprise I may not start one darn seed this year.
Tomato or pepper.
I have found it cheaper to buy the peppers and I might grow maybe four tomato plants.
The rest will be Okra central.
Out of all of the sauces I made the Hab sauce came out the winner by far.
I have just about went through one quart.
Worth

Okras my favorite Worth . Maybe by spring you'll get geared up to grow more tomatoes. I'm not gonna post for 2017 yet . Mater list is already 28 and growing.

. Salts pepper list blew me away!

.

dmforcier · January 2, 2017

Agee, I'd use the basement, if it gets light as good as you suggest. The sun will warm the soil, and temps below 60°F aren't terrible for new plants; it slows them down a little. (Temps below ~45°F can cause distorted development.)

At this time, invest in a thermometer, a starter flat, some decent potting mix, a fan. These should all be quite inexpensive.

And remember that even if you screw up mightily, you can always start over. Good luck.

AlittleSalt · January 2, 2017

A couple of things about starting pepper plants from seed that's different from starting tomato plants from seed are:

Pepper seeds generally have a lower germination rate. I cannot give you are reason why - it is something I've noticed myself and have read countless times.

Many pepper varieties need warmer starting mix temperatures (Around 80-90F). I use a heating pad under the cell trays. They sell heating mats just for his purpose. Most importantly, use it safely. Too much heat will cook your seeds = 0% germination rate.

AlittleSalt · January 2, 2017

The ones that got planted 12-31-2016

Bell
Enjoya
Keystone Giant
Margaret's Bell
Mini Bell Chocolate
Mini BellOrange
Mini Bell Red
Pinot Noir F1
Yolo Wonder

Paprika
Alma
NuMex Garnet
Leutchauer

Chili Relleno Types
Anaheim
Ancho San Luis
New Mexico Improved
NuMex Big Jim
NuMex Heritage 6-4
Poblano

Jalapenos
Fooled You F1
Jalapeno Grande
Mammoth Jalapeno
Purple

Hot
Serrano

Not Hot
Cheese, Orange
Cheese, Red
Pepperoncini
Pepperoncini from Pisa, Italy
Santa Fe Grande
Sheepnose Pimento
Sweet Banana
Sweet Cayenne
Topepo Rosso

Other
Aji Dulce
Aji Fantasy
Chili de Arbol
Garden Salsa F1
Guajillo

Ornamental
Aurora
Bolivian Rainbow
Chinese 5 Color
Gemstone
Tabasco
??? - not sure what it is, but it produced 5 different colors of peppers at the same time over a very long growing season. (150+ days)

dmforcier · January 2, 2017

Numex Twilight?

AlittleSalt · January 2, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmforcier

Numex Twilight?

I think that is probably what it is. This site says 4 colors, but their picture has white ones too just like ours did. http://www.pepperscale.com/numex-twilight/

Father'sDaughter · January 2, 2017

The basement will be too cold to germinate seeds, so I would plan on starting everything upstairs and then possibly moving them down. However, one reference I saved on safe temps say that cold stress will begin to set in at 50-65 degrees F, so you might be safer with a slightly warmer environment.

What do you have for shop lights?

My basement stays fairly cool, but maybe not as cool as your. What I use is a chrome shelf unit with 4 foot fluorescent tube shop lights on a timer to stay on all day, and they do give off a small amount of heat. The two sides and the back of the shelf unit are draped with cheap Mylar emergency blankets which not only reflects back the light but also holds in some of the heat from the lights to create a slightly warmer environment around the seedlings.

While you may not need the light down there, if you have lights that do give off a bit of heat, this type of set-up could serve the dual purpose of keeping the seedlings from stretching out too much in search of the natural light, and provide them with a little warmth.

AlittleSalt · January 8, 2017

Planted 12-31-2016 and today there are peppers coming up 1-8-2017. I'll add some pictures when they're big enough.

rdback · January 9, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

Planted 12-31-2016 and today there are peppers coming up 1-8-2017. I'll add some pictures when they're big enough.

Nice list Salt. What popped up already? Are you done with pepper seeds for this season?

December 22, 2016	#16
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Cheese pepper? Never heard of it. Likewise Penot Noir, though "F1" makes it sound like a cross or sport. Bell and jalapeno, you're on your own. Chile de Arbol is very tasty, but very little flesh. Dried is good but using it fresh is almost pointless. Alma Paprika is excellent; quite similar to Apple Pimento in flesh and flavor, though the pods are quite different. Again, I recommend Grenada Seasoning (wrote it wrong above). __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

December 25, 2016	#17
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,922	Past season (2016) I took a year off from growing peppers. Reason being, had plenty of sauce, pods and powder from 2015. But missed the fresh eating types. So this year I am going back. Here is my tentative list : Hots and What Not: Trinidad Scorpion Red Habanero Choc. Habanero Scotch Bonnet Thai Hot Chinese 5 color Not So Wild Numex Sunset Numex twilight Lemon Drop Golden Cayenne Milld Hung. Yell. Wx Big Jim Fresno Jalapeno Aleppo Sweets Italian Pepperoncini Greek pepperoncini Sweet Banana Alma paprika Shisheeto Red Marconi AND THATS ALL __________________ Gardeneer Happy Gardening !

December 27, 2016	#18
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Been working on the list. It's still tentative even though I got the 72 cell seed starter bleached and ready today. Right now, the list is looking like this: Peppers for 2017 Bell Enjoya Keystone Giant Margaret's Bell Mini Bell Chocolate Mini BellOrange Mini Bell Red Pinot Noir F1 Yolo Wonder Paprika Alma NuMex Garnet Leutchauer Chili Relleno Types Anaheim Ancho San Luis New Mexico Improved NuMex Big Jim NuMex Heritage 6-4 Poblano Jalapenos Fooled You F1 Jalapeno Grande Mammoth Jalapeno Purple Hot Serrano Tabasco Not Hot Cheese, Orange Cheese, Red Jimmy Nardello Padron Pepperoncini Pepperoncini from Pisa, Italy Santa Fe Grande Sheepnose Pimento Shish!to Sweet Banana Sweet Cayenne Topepo Rosso Other Aji Dulce Aji Fantasy Chili de Arbol Garden Salsa F1 Guajillo Ornamental Aurora Bolivian Rainbow Chinese 5 Color Gemstone The ones in bold, we have grown before - and could be replaced. Last edited by AlittleSalt; December 27, 2016 at 05:02 PM. Reason: It Keeps Changing

January 2, 2017	#23
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Agee, I'd use the basement, if it gets light as good as you suggest. The sun will warm the soil, and temps below 60°F aren't terrible for new plants; it slows them down a little. (Temps below ~45°F can cause distorted development.) At this time, invest in a thermometer, a starter flat, some decent potting mix, a fan. These should all be quite inexpensive. And remember that even if you screw up mightily, you can always start over. Good luck. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

January 2, 2017	#26
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Numex Twilight? __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

January 2, 2017	#19
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	To everyone surprise I may not start one darn seed this year. Tomato or pepper. I have found it cheaper to buy the peppers and I might grow maybe four tomato plants. The rest will be Okra central. Out of all of the sauces I made the Hab sauce came out the winner by far. I have just about went through one quart. Worth

January 2, 2017	#20
agee12 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 196	Here's my quandary, where to start my plants - fyi this will be my first year growing from seed. I have an unoccupied basement area that gets good sun. It does not get icebox cold but it does fall below 60 degrees, am I correct that the seedlings should be in an area that is above 60 degrees? One thought is to get some heat mats. I am low on funds - it's not that I can't afford heat mats at all, but I have to figure out everything I need to get for the upcoming season and I may not be able to afford everything so I have to prioritize. The second option is setting up a grow area in my bedroom. The basement gets way better light so if I grow in my bedroom I will have to rig up lights. The upside to creating a grow area in my bedroom is that it will meet the temperature requirement, it will be constantly attended and I need a reason to clear things out of the room that I have no use for. The downside is the clean up part will take time, if only because I will do it it incrementally. It may be easier said than done because I will still have to move in shelves and lights, they will be shop lights. These will not be new purchases, rather things already around the house and garage. Another factor is that I know that shop lights are not that energy efficient but I don't know how inefficient they are, so it's possible that I am adding costs by an increased electricity bill. As I write this out I am leaning towards the basement option but may work on clearing an area in my room in case we get an extended cold snap and want to move the plants to a warmer part of the house.

January 2, 2017	#28
Father'sDaughter Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: MA/NH Border Posts: 4,919	The basement will be too cold to germinate seeds, so I would plan on starting everything upstairs and then possibly moving them down. However, one reference I saved on safe temps say that cold stress will begin to set in at 50-65 degrees F, so you might be safer with a slightly warmer environment. What do you have for shop lights? My basement stays fairly cool, but maybe not as cool as your. What I use is a chrome shelf unit with 4 foot fluorescent tube shop lights on a timer to stay on all day, and they do give off a small amount of heat. The two sides and the back of the shelf unit are draped with cheap Mylar emergency blankets which not only reflects back the light but also holds in some of the heat from the lights to create a slightly warmer environment around the seedlings. While you may not need the light down there, if you have lights that do give off a bit of heat, this type of set-up could serve the dual purpose of keeping the seedlings from stretching out too much in search of the natural light, and provide them with a little warmth.

January 8, 2017	#29
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Planted 12-31-2016 and today there are peppers coming up 1-8-2017. I'll add some pictures when they're big enough.