Large Fruited OP Container Friendly - Page 2

BlackBear · June 15, 2017

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Originally Posted by Dark Rumor

So how long is your growing season?

growing season....what a concept ! LOL

Today we have a High of 14 C ! and rain...

We can have 200 days frost free ...but regrettable

low Heat degree days ...very cool .

Hence Cool Coastal readiness required .

Some years even on the coast it can be argued we have had no summer...

with less than 5 days above 20C before first week of August....

Some years we have had August in May (MAgust) and then the rest of the
season is typical cool...

Right now we are having a cool goose-bumpy " Junetober " spell.

BlackBear · June 15, 2017

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Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

It's a very cold spring here, and I have only one heart variety coming along... Already cramped for space, but I'll try to include more hearts next year.
The ones I have grown have been great, but some (Kosovo, Fishlake oxheart) were susceptible to BER.
Russian ones (Zolotoy Korol, Zolotoy Serdtse) not so.

good observation to note .....

thanks

BlackBear · June 15, 2017

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

I have some Krasnodor Titan seeds. I hope they produce for you. I would like to know more about them. I asked about them and this nice moderator lady up in NY named Carolyn told me they are basically rocks.

I don't think there is anything wrong with them ....but ..

They are noted as Container friendly and Large fruited ..

Folks may be annoyed at me ...but I Just wanted to see

Which of the Large fruited selection did best in 7 gallon containers here etc.

I did not filter much for consideration of Flavor...or if they were "Rocks"

Just ...If I can get Tomatoes, Large Tomatoes, ...Lots of Large Tomatoes,

In this cool container environment ..Trial.

earlier is better ...but I can also wait mid season ...for the better tasting ones ...etc. ( Brandy Fred is looking awesome ...just later ).

lol....I am sure that nice moderator lady in NY is most likely right about the

actual fruit quality

...but amazingly enough .... fruit quality is not the prime

challenge at this stage of exploration Trial here .

Sorry if we offend with this Tomato sacrilege.....

It may be the case ...they end up to be a "10 + gallon container" one

and not as easygoing happy in 7 gallons etc.

BlackBear · June 20, 2017

For June 20th

Large fruited Early development trial results(7 Gallon) still is

1st Place EM Champion
2nd Place Velmozha
3rd Place Loxton Ladd

BrandyFred looks especially healthy but has not set fruit yet

For environmental comparison....... other early varieties in my 2017 garden going
full guns and have set fruit already include ...

Add :
Zolotoe Serdstse
Matina
Yaponskyi Karlik
Ditmarsher

to last week :

Gold nugget
Chibbiko
Betalux
Black Cherry
Black Prince
Dwarf Arctic Rose (exceptional fruit set )

Rejina Red
Zluta Kytice
Hahm's Gelbe
Venus
Buckbee (Tatiana's mystery one ...good one)

also hybrids : Juliet , Sungold, Bigbeef etc.

BlackBear · June 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by BlackBear

Besides EM Champion there are some other Siberian determinate tomato varieties with large fruit:

Rozovyi Myod (=Pink Honey in English)
Danko
Velmozha
Kanopus
Gina
Tolstyi Jack (=Fat Jack in English)
Shtambovyi Krupnoplodnyi (=Tree-type Large-fruited in English)

Andrey_BY

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I think the above a great list for this thread.

I will continue in 2018 with trial of Danko

and also Anna Maria's Heart (from Victory seeds)

also not large one but Dwarf Lemon Ice .....

and that's all folks .....I have successfully eliminated the future ...with all the varieties to trial .....LOL

I did receive In Mail Today :

Anna Maria's Heart
Danko
Dwarf Lemon Ice

And THAT IS IT ......2018 is spoken for ! talk about over programming !

Future eliminated !

Dark Rumor · June 20, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBear

growing season....what a concept ! LOL

Today we have a High of 14 C ! and rain...

We can have 200 days frost free ...but regrettable

low Heat degree days ...very cool .

Hence Cool Coastal readiness required .

Some years even on the coast it can be argued we have had no summer...

with less than 5 days above 20C before first week of August....

Some years we have had August in May (MAgust) and then the rest of the
season is typical cool...

Right now we are having a cool goose-bumpy " Junetober " spell.

We had the opposite, no winter last year, temps fell below freezing only twice. I am going to try to grow tomatoes this winter.

BlackBear · June 22, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Rumor

We had the opposite, no winter last year, temps fell below freezing only twice. I am going to try to grow tomatoes this winter.

Spring/ summer went A.W.O.L for a bit around here.....

still only 19C for a high today ...but the next 5 days look like summer for next 5 days ...which some years ....could be it for the season around here ...LOL

sounds like with very little cover you could use Siberian "cool tolerant tomatoes "

in your winter "window"......In your latitudes you get more light in winter months than we do at 49th -50th parallel etc.

But I guess things go to Hot pretty quick around there and those Siberian cool ones do not tolerate the heat well at all.

Dark Rumor · June 23, 2017

So what Siberian cool tolerant tomatoes would you suggest.

BlackBear · June 23, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Rumor

So what Siberian cool tolerant tomatoes would you suggest.

sounds like a short window ...of the cool ,

for cool tolerant , early ....even Container friendly ?

Not all are Siberian ...

but for a while I liked

Siberia (rugose dwarf ) (not to be confused with "Siberian " regular leaf non-dwarf )

Yaponskiy karlik

Sasha's Altai

Gregori's Altai

Silvery Fir

0-33

I have had luck (early cool) with Black Prince

I have to recommend EM Champion

and Betalux (polish ) might be good too

BlackBear · June 23, 2017

wow Today I noticed Velmozha has

slightly smaller fruit than EM Champion but a few more so far and ....First fruit Blush !

I guess with the calculation you may have for the cultivare in the container ..

do you want bigger fruit ?...could be less fruit and less poundage also.

or not quite as big fruit with more fruit and more lbs. of production ...

I have grown Monomakh's Hat and found them reasonable in Container (larger)
with slightly larger fruit than EM champion ..but less of them compared to
EM champion ...

I guess one way to look at this is that EM Champion and Velmozha compliment each other ....

especially with Loxton Ladd as well .

BlackBear · June 24, 2017

so about 2 + weeks after

EM Champion and Velmozha and Loxton Ladd

Krasnodor Titans sets fruit ...
(2 weeks is a significant difference in My cool climate )

BrandyFred still looks like a fine larger dwarf but still no fruit set
Zinulya also no fruit set ....

In the same comparison time period :

Dwarf Pink Passion
Sarandipity
Sweet Adelaide
Rejina yellow
Budai Torpe
Rose Quarz (Multiflora)
Silvery Fir

have set fruit in my garden in this similar time period to Krasnodor Titians .

BlackBear · June 28, 2017

BrandyFred has set Fruit (Yum Yum can hardly wait )

so at this point as far as early fruit set and production start goes ...in the 7 gallon trial.

in this matter of "early" fruit set with the 6 Large fruited container varieties

1)EM Champion
2)Velmozha
3) Loxton Ladd
4) Krasnodor Titans
5) Brandyfred

6) Zinulya still no fruit set ....

Other Varieties that set fruit in same time in my garden as BrandyFred :

Sibirska Troika
Yukon Quest
Sophie's Choice
Roza vetrov
Bonte Tigrette

Can hardly wait now !

clkeiper · June 28, 2017

so after reading this.. I think I need another tomato in my garden... where can I find EM Champion? I have never heard of it or seen it in any catalogs. and brandyfred? Is that one of the dwarf projects or someones cross? sounds interesting.

zipcode · June 28, 2017

Yeah, that EM-Champion sounds good. A true heart determinate with wispy leaves, nice size and not sweet taste... how come it's pretty much unknown?

sjamesNorway · June 28, 2017

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Originally Posted by clkeiper

so after reading this.. I think I need another tomato in my garden... where can I find EM Champion? I have never heard of it or seen it in any catalogs. and brandyfred? Is that one of the dwarf projects or someones cross? sounds interesting.

Tatiana has EM-Champion seeds.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/EM-Champion

June 20, 2017	#19
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	June 20 update 7 gallon results For June 20th Large fruited Early development trial results(7 Gallon) still is 1st Place EM Champion 2nd Place Velmozha 3rd Place Loxton Ladd BrandyFred looks especially healthy but has not set fruit yet For environmental comparison....... other early varieties in my 2017 garden going full guns and have set fruit already include ... Add : Zolotoe Serdstse Matina Yaponskyi Karlik Ditmarsher to last week : Gold nugget Chibbiko Betalux Black Cherry Black Prince Dwarf Arctic Rose (exceptional fruit set ) Rejina Red Zluta Kytice Hahm's Gelbe Venus Buckbee (Tatiana's mystery one ...good one) also hybrids : Juliet , Sungold, Bigbeef etc. __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 23, 2017	#25
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	First Blush by Velmozha wow Today I noticed Velmozha has slightly smaller fruit than EM Champion but a few more so far and ....First fruit Blush ! I guess with the calculation you may have for the cultivare in the container .. do you want bigger fruit ?...could be less fruit and less poundage also. or not quite as big fruit with more fruit and more lbs. of production ... I have grown Monomakh's Hat and found them reasonable in Container (larger) with slightly larger fruit than EM champion ..but less of them compared to EM champion ... I guess one way to look at this is that EM Champion and Velmozha compliment each other .... especially with Loxton Ladd as well . __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 24, 2017	#26
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	Krasnodor Titans finally sets fruit so about 2 + weeks after EM Champion and Velmozha and Loxton Ladd Krasnodor Titans sets fruit ... (2 weeks is a significant difference in My cool climate ) BrandyFred still looks like a fine larger dwarf but still no fruit set Zinulya also no fruit set .... In the same comparison time period : Dwarf Pink Passion Sarandipity Sweet Adelaide Rejina yellow Budai Torpe Rose Quarz (Multiflora) Silvery Fir have set fruit in my garden in this similar time period to Krasnodor Titians . __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 28, 2017	#27
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	BrandyFred fruit set BrandyFred has set Fruit (Yum Yum can hardly wait ) so at this point as far as early fruit set and production start goes ...in the 7 gallon trial. in this matter of "early" fruit set with the 6 Large fruited container varieties 1)EM Champion 2)Velmozha 3) Loxton Ladd 4) Krasnodor Titans 5) Brandyfred 6) Zinulya still no fruit set .... Other Varieties that set fruit in same time in my garden as BrandyFred : Sibirska Troika Yukon Quest Sophie's Choice Roza vetrov Bonte Tigrette Can hardly wait now ! __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time ! Last edited by BlackBear; June 28, 2017 at 01:02 PM.

June 28, 2017	#28
clkeiper Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ohio Posts: 4,350	so after reading this.. I think I need another tomato in my garden... where can I find EM Champion? I have never heard of it or seen it in any catalogs. and brandyfred? Is that one of the dwarf projects or someones cross? sounds interesting. __________________ carolyn k

June 23, 2017	#23
Dark Rumor Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 287	So what Siberian cool tolerant tomatoes would you suggest.

June 28, 2017	#29
zipcode Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Romania/Germany , z 4-6 Posts: 1,582	Yeah, that EM-Champion sounds good. A true heart determinate with wispy leaves, nice size and not sweet taste... how come it's pretty much unknown?