Black Cherokee - Page 2

flying mater · July 9, 2007

Love it!! Please if you can share seeds let us know. PLEASE!

Bill

Ruth_10 · July 9, 2007

How very Goth!

Actually, they look like plums. Hope they taste as good.

**carolyn137** · July 9, 2007

Darrel, may I assume that your source of seeds for that one was Keith? He started a thread on them at GW quite recently and had done the same here quite a while ago.

And I have to admit I started chuckling a bit when folks started asking for seeds.

One of the reasons I stopped even posting about some of my new varieties was b'c folks were asking for seeds.

The way I see it, if someone wants to offer seeds they do so in the appropriate Forum, and here that would be in, ahem, I've now forgotten the Forum name but the opposite from Varieties wanted, as in varieties to share.

That way everyone can see what's offered rather than having something buried within a thread and only folks following that thread know about something new.

This year once again bcday is doing some seed production on new ones for me and so she didn't have to bother sending me fruits to see and taste I was able to get plants of all four sent to me, three by gardenmama, who for the past two years has custom grown my few plants for me, and then bcday sent me the extra plant for the fourth.

It's about that one, called Sherrill, that has me so annoyed tonight. When Freda came today she walked in with this formerly lovely plant cut off at the soil line. It was a gorgeous plant of Sherrill that bc had sent me. Freda said with great conviction that a deer had done it, but I'm not so sure b'c it was in a pot on a large tree stump and none of the other tomato plants, some in pots, others at the end of the raised bed, had been bothered.

We've had some serious T storms this week with high winds and I think that was the cause.

If truth be told a HUGE PG doe has been hanging around and eating some newly planted daylilies, just pulling them up, and she was chewing on one of the Honeysuckle bushes this AM.

So why am I so upset? I showed Frdea where the suckers were and told her how to take them off and pot them up. When I looked out the sliding back door tonight what do I see but the whole darn plant potted up but all the foliage was prone. There were ample root primordia on the lower part of the main stenm, and so by G, I guess that's why she did that.

Poor poor plant was covered in blossoms and now I can't get out there to flood it with water in the pot or even take some cuttings. Sigh.

What's my point here?

I could have shown a picture of Sherrill assuming I'd have lots of fruits to ferment and get lots of seeds to offer.

But stuff happens, doesn't it?

**carolyn137** · July 10, 2007

Darrel, may I assume that your source of seeds for that one was Keith? He started a thread on them at GW quite recently and had done the same here quite a while ago.

*****

I answered my own question when I read your thread at GW about this and you said that your seeds were directly from Jim Myers and that you can't share seeds or sell plants.

Got it.

Granny · July 10, 2007

Wow! Those are some great looking tomatoes. When are you going to eat one, so we can see the inside of them?

(I wouldn't want to make a donkey of myself by begging seed, but would not take it amiss if you happened to tell me where I might buy some, if such a thing can be bought.)

Fusion_power · July 10, 2007

Just so everyone knows the situation, I can not share seed of the anthocyanin tomato with anyone. I am growing them subject to a non-propagation agreement with Jim Myers. I can however use them for breeding efforts and so far have attempted a cross onto 97L97 which is a 40x carotene tomato. I won't know for at least another week if the cross took. I also have my eye on a cross with Black From Tula.

As to flavor, this tomato would rate a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10. it has undertones similar to blackberry, very very low sugar, and an acrid aftertaste. It is in need of some carefully selected crossbreeding!

One of the reasons I "buried" it in this thread was so that I wouldn't get inundated with requests for seed. Please believe me folks, this one is just a curiosity at this point. It looks fantastic but tastes like nothing you want in your mouth.

Darrel

Granny · July 10, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fusion_power

Please believe me folks, this one is just a curiosity at this point. It looks fantastic but tastes like nothing you want in your mouth.

Darrel

In that case, best of luck with it. Here's hoping that you eventually turn it into something that tastes as wonderful & unique as this one looks.

**carolyn137** · July 10, 2007

One of the reasons I "buried" it in this thread was so that I wouldn't get inundated with requests for seed.

*****

Point and counterpoint Darrel re my comments above on folks asking for seeds almost every time something new is mentioned.

If I have seeds to share I'll post that in that Forum where one does that and I would hope that others would do the same thing.

Makes life easier for the grower/seed producer, believe you me.

I just reread what I said and I assure you that I'm NOT the mean old wicked witch of the west, just a 68 yo orthopedically challenged non-petite woman who has been posting online about tomatoes and other veggies since about 1989 and has pretty much seen it all re online requests for seeds, and more.

jhp · July 10, 2007

Forget about the seed. Are you going to show us what the inside looks like?

peispud · July 12, 2007

Sorry about me starting the "want seeds" requests
but I did inquire if you were allowed to but I should have asked that in a private message.
Please let us know any results of breeding attempts and weather you are sucessful in breeding better taste into any F1 generations.

Peter

Hilde · July 12, 2007

Fusion_power, that is an incredible color for a tomato! Wow! Too bad it doesn't taste good, but surely it should be possible to cross it with another type and see if you can get great tasting tomatoes with that color?

Hilde

lrussillo · June 1, 2015

I bought a "Cherokee Black" at the farmers' market last year--it was fabulous, so I saved the seed. Two plants growing now.

Al@NC · June 2, 2015

The closest thing to this tomato that I've seen is from J and L gardens:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/J-L-Midnight...item2580daa5c2

Fiishergurl · June 2, 2015

There's one called Cherokee Black Heart... on one of the vendor seed sites.

Ginny

July 9, 2007	#17
Ruth_10 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MO z6a near St. Louis Posts: 1,349	How very Goth! Actually, they look like plums. Hope they taste as good. __________________ --Ruth Some say the glass half-full. Others say the glass is half-empty. To an engineer, it’s twice as big as it needs to be.

July 9, 2007	#18
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Darrel, may I assume that your source of seeds for that one was Keith? He started a thread on them at GW quite recently and had done the same here quite a while ago. And I have to admit I started chuckling a bit when folks started asking for seeds. One of the reasons I stopped even posting about some of my new varieties was b'c folks were asking for seeds. The way I see it, if someone wants to offer seeds they do so in the appropriate Forum, and here that would be in, ahem, I've now forgotten the Forum name but the opposite from Varieties wanted, as in varieties to share. That way everyone can see what's offered rather than having something buried within a thread and only folks following that thread know about something new. This year once again bcday is doing some seed production on new ones for me and so she didn't have to bother sending me fruits to see and taste I was able to get plants of all four sent to me, three by gardenmama, who for the past two years has custom grown my few plants for me, and then bcday sent me the extra plant for the fourth. It's about that one, called Sherrill, that has me so annoyed tonight. When Freda came today she walked in with this formerly lovely plant cut off at the soil line. It was a gorgeous plant of Sherrill that bc had sent me. Freda said with great conviction that a deer had done it, but I'm not so sure b'c it was in a pot on a large tree stump and none of the other tomato plants, some in pots, others at the end of the raised bed, had been bothered. We've had some serious T storms this week with high winds and I think that was the cause. If truth be told a HUGE PG doe has been hanging around and eating some newly planted daylilies, just pulling them up, and she was chewing on one of the Honeysuckle bushes this AM. So why am I so upset? I showed Frdea where the suckers were and told her how to take them off and pot them up. When I looked out the sliding back door tonight what do I see but the whole darn plant potted up but all the foliage was prone. There were ample root primordia on the lower part of the main stenm, and so by G, I guess that's why she did that. Poor poor plant was covered in blossoms and now I can't get out there to flood it with water in the pot or even take some cuttings. Sigh. What's my point here? I could have shown a picture of Sherrill assuming I'd have lots of fruits to ferment and get lots of seeds to offer. But stuff happens, doesn't it? __________________ Carolyn

July 10, 2007	#19
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Darrel, may I assume that your source of seeds for that one was Keith? He started a thread on them at GW quite recently and had done the same here quite a while ago. ***** I answered my own question when I read your thread at GW about this and you said that your seeds were directly from Jim Myers and that you can't share seeds or sell plants. Got it. __________________ Carolyn

July 10, 2007	#23
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	One of the reasons I "buried" it in this thread was so that I wouldn't get inundated with requests for seed. ***** Point and counterpoint Darrel re my comments above on folks asking for seeds almost every time something new is mentioned. If I have seeds to share I'll post that in that Forum where one does that and I would hope that others would do the same thing. Makes life easier for the grower/seed producer, believe you me. I just reread what I said and I assure you that I'm NOT the mean old wicked witch of the west, just a 68 yo orthopedically challenged non-petite woman who has been posting online about tomatoes and other veggies since about 1989 and has pretty much seen it all re online requests for seeds, and more. __________________ Carolyn

July 9, 2007	#16
flying mater Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 30	Love it!! Please if you can share seeds let us know. PLEASE! Bill

July 10, 2007	#20
Granny Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 507	Wow! Those are some great looking tomatoes. When are you going to eat one, so we can see the inside of them? (I wouldn't want to make a donkey of myself by begging seed, but would not take it amiss if you happened to tell me where I might buy some, if such a thing can be bought.)

July 10, 2007	#21
Fusion_power Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,250	Just so everyone knows the situation, I can not share seed of the anthocyanin tomato with anyone. I am growing them subject to a non-propagation agreement with Jim Myers. I can however use them for breeding efforts and so far have attempted a cross onto 97L97 which is a 40x carotene tomato. I won't know for at least another week if the cross took. I also have my eye on a cross with Black From Tula. As to flavor, this tomato would rate a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10. it has undertones similar to blackberry, very very low sugar, and an acrid aftertaste. It is in need of some carefully selected crossbreeding! One of the reasons I "buried" it in this thread was so that I wouldn't get inundated with requests for seed. Please believe me folks, this one is just a curiosity at this point. It looks fantastic but tastes like nothing you want in your mouth. Darrel

July 10, 2007	#24
jhp Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 492	Forget about the seed. Are you going to show us what the inside looks like?

July 12, 2007	#25
peispud Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 180	Sorry about me starting the "want seeds" requests but I did inquire if you were allowed to but I should have asked that in a private message. Please let us know any results of breeding attempts and weather you are sucessful in breeding better taste into any F1 generations. Peter

July 12, 2007	#26
Hilde Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pendleton, NY Posts: 256	Fusion_power, that is an incredible color for a tomato! Wow! Too bad it doesn't taste good, but surely it should be possible to cross it with another type and see if you can get great tasting tomatoes with that color? Hilde

June 1, 2015	#27
lrussillo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: virginia Posts: 57	I bought a "Cherokee Black" at the farmers' market last year--it was fabulous, so I saved the seed. Two plants growing now.

June 2, 2015	#28
Al@NC Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Vernon, BC Posts: 720	The closest thing to this tomato that I've seen is from J and L gardens: http://www.ebay.com/itm/J-L-Midnight...item2580daa5c2

June 2, 2015	#29
Fiishergurl Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oak Hill, Florida Posts: 1,781	There's one called Cherokee Black Heart... on one of the vendor seed sites. Ginny