Bush Varieties

[salix]

TomatoDon - if your question was directed at me, the answer is: Demidov, Lime Green Salad, Mano, New Big Dwarf, Elfin and Kimberly (short, but not sure it is classified as dwarf...)

[dice]

It seems that we have overlapping uses of "dwarf":
the original rugose-leaved, stout-stemmed dwarf genotype
from the 19th century that cultivars like New Big Dwarf,
Lime Green Salad, Red Russian, Demidov, and so on are
descended from, and dwarf to mean simply a smaller than
normal plant, like Sophie's Choice, Floragold Basket and other
"basket" tomatoes, Yellow Pear brachytic, etc.

The Tomatobase entry for Yellow Pear brachytic has some
info on the different genes involved between a tree-type
dwarf and brachytic dwarf:

http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...Pear_brachytic

The current Tomatobase dwarf list:

http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...Dwarf_Tomatoes

[Earl]

Would the shorter Green Grape be considered a dwarf?

[nctomatoman]

Green Grape is a determinate - it has typical foliage and a typical growth habit - it just stops all of a sudden and starts fruiting from everywhere. Silvery Fir Tree is a determinate as well...not a dwarf. Again, this is using the historical definition that is more on growth habit/foliage type than heigth.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by nctomatoman

Green Grape is a determinate - it has typical foliage and a typical growth habit - it just stops all of a sudden and starts fruiting from everywhere. Silvery Fir Tree is a determinate as well...not a dwarf. Again, this is using the historical definition that is more on growth habit/foliage type than heigth.

Craig, Green Grape as released by Tom Wagner was indeterminate and it remained so until a few years back and the det versions started showing up.

Tom saw this for the first time when he was a Sahin Seeds in the Netherlands for a taste testing and GG from several sources were grown and some were det and some were indet.

Earl, do you remember back when we all were posting at GW that you sent me your indet version? It stayed indet for a couple of years and then it too reverted.

And when I was out in CA at Hortus Nursery for Tomatomania Tom drove down from Bakersfieled where he was then living and brought mne two plants of the indet version. They too eventually revereted.

I'm told that Fedco, I think it is, is offering indet GG, but someone would have to check that out.

So Earl, the shorter det GG is not a dwarf as discussed here, meaning rugose foliage and thick center stem, wouold not be a dwarf, but I think most would see it as a semi-det or det.