Did Russian peasants eat tomatoes? - Page 3

Jazdoma · July 21, 2009

Some of the russian tomatoes are listed here:
http://www.sibinfo.net/price.php?pid...fid=356&tid=90

http://common.narod.ru/sem/start1.html

http://www.agrosnsk.ru/catalog/21/
http://www.floramarket.kiev.ua/sorta.php?id=9

Jazdoma · July 21, 2009

When we think about russian tomatoes, the first what is on our mind is: Black Krim, Black from Tula, Anna Russian. Those tomatoes are famous all over the world except in Soviet Union.
But the fact is that on russian seed pages those famous tomatos dont exist and you can find rare people on russan forums that know about them. If they have them, then seeds are from USA or something from the west.
As a fan of dark tomatoes I made some reserch about origin. We all know the story, so I will not repeat it.

I also agree with Andrey BY in post : background of black ethiopian on 02.20.2008, post 11:
".......I have many relatives in Ukraine and had been to Creamea several times and never seen or heard about black fruited old vareites from there......"

Anyway it is strange to buy russan tomato from USA or UK,...as it would be to buy , lets say: American wonder in Moscow. They can say it is famous american tomato, but no one in America wouldnt grow it or knew about it.
That was a reason that I put some of the links before in my previous post. There you can see a lot of "never heard" tomatoes and can not find BFT,BK,AR,...
Popular black tomatoes recently in SU are: Black Mavr and Black De Barao, sometimes also Black Prinz,....

And for those who know russian, here is some reading on their tomato forum:
http://dacha.wcb.ru/lofiversion/index.php/t10711.html
you can use google translate too
http://www.prihoz.ru/forum/viewtopic...asc&start=2880

just my 2 cents

organichris · July 22, 2009

Just so everyone knows, I tried to go to that second link in the first post and my firewall blocked it, saying it contained spyware. I apologize to Jazdoma if that isn't true, but I thought everyone should know just in case.

Jazdoma · July 22, 2009

woow, I didnt know that. I went again on that second link and my antivirus didnt say anything. But, it is better to be secure. I do not know much about spyware there in Soviet Union as I am from European Union and had just done my "homework" searching for russian tomato types....

thanks for info

Andrey_BY · July 24, 2009

Jazdoma,

the point is that all these "American" Russian tomato varieties came to USA probably before October Revolution in Russian Empire (100 or even more years ago) if all these heirloom stories are true. We have lost almost all old tomato varieites during Soviet Union era...

velikipop · July 25, 2009

Andrey,

Good point, also remember that just because large commercial seed vendors don't carry a variety it does not mean that its origins are not from the region. Quite a few Canadian seed companies do not carry heirloom varieties that originated in Canada.

Alex

tjg911 · July 25, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

Jazdoma,

the point is that all these "American" Russian tomato varieties came to USA probably before October Revolution in Russian Empire (100 or even more years ago) if all these heirloom stories are true. We have lost almost all old tomato varieites during Soviet Union era...

what a shame!

a very interesting thread. thanks to all for such obscure but interesting stories.

tom

July 21, 2009	#31
Jazdoma Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: EU, Slovenia Posts: 13	Some of the russian tomatoes are listed here: http://www.sibinfo.net/price.php?pid...fid=356&tid=90 http://common.narod.ru/sem/start1.html http://www.agrosnsk.ru/catalog/21/ http://www.floramarket.kiev.ua/sorta.php?id=9 Last edited by Jazdoma; July 21, 2009 at 07:53 AM. Reason: added some links

July 21, 2009	#32
Jazdoma Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: EU, Slovenia Posts: 13	When we think about russian tomatoes, the first what is on our mind is: Black Krim, Black from Tula, Anna Russian. Those tomatoes are famous all over the world except in Soviet Union. But the fact is that on russian seed pages those famous tomatos dont exist and you can find rare people on russan forums that know about them. If they have them, then seeds are from USA or something from the west. As a fan of dark tomatoes I made some reserch about origin. We all know the story, so I will not repeat it. I also agree with Andrey BY in post : background of black ethiopian on 02.20.2008, post 11: ".......I have many relatives in Ukraine and had been to Creamea several times and never seen or heard about black fruited old vareites from there......" Anyway it is strange to buy russan tomato from USA or UK,...as it would be to buy , lets say: American wonder in Moscow. They can say it is famous american tomato, but no one in America wouldnt grow it or knew about it. That was a reason that I put some of the links before in my previous post. There you can see a lot of "never heard" tomatoes and can not find BFT,BK,AR,... Popular black tomatoes recently in SU are: Black Mavr and Black De Barao, sometimes also Black Prinz,.... And for those who know russian, here is some reading on their tomato forum: http://dacha.wcb.ru/lofiversion/index.php/t10711.html you can use google translate too http://www.prihoz.ru/forum/viewtopic...asc&start=2880 just my 2 cents Last edited by Jazdoma; July 21, 2009 at 09:40 AM.

July 24, 2009	#35
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	Jazdoma, the point is that all these "American" Russian tomato varieties came to USA probably before October Revolution in Russian Empire (100 or even more years ago) if all these heirloom stories are true. We have lost almost all old tomato varieites during Soviet Union era... __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

July 25, 2009	#36
velikipop Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 768	Andrey, Good point, also remember that just because large commercial seed vendors don't carry a variety it does not mean that its origins are not from the region. Quite a few Canadian seed companies do not carry heirloom varieties that originated in Canada. Alex __________________ I'll plant and I'll harvest what the earth brings forth The hammer's on the table, the pitchfork's on the shelf Bob Dylan

July 22, 2009	#33
organichris Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 630	Just so everyone knows, I tried to go to that second link in the first post and my firewall blocked it, saying it contained spyware. I apologize to Jazdoma if that isn't true, but I thought everyone should know just in case.