Amishland at it again! - Page 3

Adenn1 · March 13, 2007

Not sure why I went over to look at Amishland...but I did and had to laugh at the tomatoes she lists as VERY RARE--like Stump of the World.

It's a shame that she takes such liberties to entice those who may not know much about tomatoes and such...

cdntomato · March 14, 2007

Carolyn, I'm really concerned that not only is renaming and rehistorying happening in Canada, but it is being done by SODC executive and then 'shared' south of the border.

E.G., Glenn Drowns has way too much stuff that is re or incorrectly named Canuck via a particular person of 'standing' here in the Great White North. This person has already abbreviated names he thinks are too long, incorrectly translated 'Russian' stuff, and running his for- profit seed company IMHO very much in conflict of interest with his position at SODC. We won't even talk about the potential genetic nightmare at PGRC as folks 'approved' for the Canadian Tomato project save at least 10 fruits from only 1 required plant per variety.

Suggestions about how to address this appreciated. Direct contact with this person has been extremely ineffective. No cease and desist, let alone correction as he thinks he is doing nothing wrong. Lord, help me.

Am seeing a lot of spin-off effects in this year's catalogues from SODC seed company-owning members. Amishland North.

Jennifer, anal preservation person

elkwc36 · March 15, 2007

There is also a Shah(Mikado White) Potato Leaf list on page 442 of the Seed Savers Yearbook. So seems to be everywhere.

missionrandy · July 14, 2007

Purchased seeds from Amishland, before I heard about problems. All plants turned out exactly as described on the site, no surprises...

Glad I never purchased wrongly named seeds!

Randy

elkwc36 · July 19, 2007

Randy I had the same experience. Better than I can say for another vendor. And that vendor's problems are documented on several forums. Amishlands have done well. Jay

missionrandy · July 20, 2007

Hi Jay,

I am like yourself, absolutely no problems with Amishland!
Much more problems with other noted seed sources...
Amishland sold me exactly what was described, with good service and very good germination rates. I wouldn't hesitate from purchasing once more... I can't say that about a few Canadian and American sources though!

I am very picky on the seed vendours I deal with...

Take care,
Randy

**nctomatoman** · July 20, 2007

Folks, its not about whether their seeds germinate, their service is good or their tomatoes taste fine. It is all about charging exhorbitant prices for 10 seeds because histories are fabricated to make a variety look like something other than it is.

elkwc36 · July 20, 2007

My experience has been she(Amishland) has always included way more than the stated amount of seeds. I would rather pay a little more and get what is described than Cherokee Purples that end up PL and produce orange fruit. Or Rose tomatoes that are not Rose. And this a vendor recommended on this site and many others. There is also several other sites that list varieties wrong. I have kept track and it would be a long list. But most must not consider this a priority as I do. Tomato Fest and Amishland may both be a little higher but the germination is great, the service great, willing to offer help and seeds grow true to description. After purchasing from I think 14 vendors this year I will probably only use 4-6 in the future unless there is something I just feel I want to try I can't get elsewhere. Sandhill is another I had a real good experience with. This is just my experience. Jay

missionrandy · July 20, 2007

Jay,

I would like to add Tomato Growers Supply to the recommended list of suppliers. Their seeds always grow true, great germination and no names made up for variety.

Craig,

I understand the fabricating of some of Amishlands varieties. A few I would question also, and the prices are fairly steep. This is where the internet comes in handy to research varieties... If something is different, call them on it!

I would rather pay a little more and get what is described in the write up. Alot of us get tired of purchasing seeds from a noted seed source, put lots of time and care into growing something, just to find we are growing something we never paid for... It feels like a complete waste of time!Currently, I can't say that about Amishland... I sure can about a few others that are listed on Tomatoville!

Those are my experiences so far, maybe not all...

Thank-you,
Randy

elkwc36 · July 20, 2007

Randy,
I agree with Tomato Growers Supply. But they list 3 Red Brandywines when there is one. Not a problem now that I know which is the correct one. Before that I just thought I was growing Red Branywine. Like I said most have some variety either misnamed or mislabeled. TGS is one I will continue to use. In my opinion it comes down to what standards you wish to apply. In my case I know what the price is and don't have to buy it if I think I can get something I'll like elsewhere cheaper.
When it concerns Amishland I've found the majority who have critical remarks to make have never bought from her. I'm not sure how you can make a fair judgement when you have never done business with a supplier. In my case those who I have critical remarks to say about them are all I have done business with and in every case a vendor who is recommended here. So I feel I can make fair judgements about them. I'm assuming I must put more weight on honesty, germination rate, willingness to help and varieties growing true than others. In the end each of us is entitled to our opinions. Happy Gardening to all. Jay

feldon30 · July 20, 2007

It's frustrating to keep seeing that you have had bad experience with well-regarded vendors.

A blacklist, not to mention a list of recommended vendors is only valuable if concern and praise are given freely and openly without fear of retribution not only from the vendors, but the people who made that list.

Much to the exacerbation of some of my friends, I always prefer the truth.

Andrey_BY · January 25, 2008

2008 updates from Amishland:
http://www.amishlandseeds.com/new2007_08.htm

RIESENTOMATE AUS SIEBENBURGEN - translates from German as " Bunchtomato from Siebenbьrgen( Transylvania) ~Rarest, Weirdest Tomato of All !~Looks Like Red BRAINS! ~ Must See!~ONLY USA SEED SOURCE!~(Note:This is NOT Riesenstraube Tomato)
VOYAGE TOMATO ~ SUPER RARE- Looks like Red Brains~Almost identical to "Riesentomate aus Siebenbьrgen" Tomato

"MONOMAKH`S HAT " RUSSIAN TOMATO -Translated from "SHAPKA MONOMAHA"~Only USA source! ~Limited Quantities~Monster Sized Fruit!~LIMIT 1 PACK PER CUSTOMER
RUSSIAN BOGATYR TOMATO ~( Translates as "Russian Warrior") ~Only USA Source~A tomato Worth Fighting For

and many others VERY RARE varieties from THE ONLY SOURCE IN USA! Sick of Lisa's lies...

**carolyn137** · January 25, 2008

and many others VERY RARE varieties from THE ONLY SOURCE IN USA! Sick of Lisa's lies...

****

Yes Andrey, many of us know Lisa and her lies, and how I wish you'd let us know you were planning to send some varieties to her a few years ago b'c many of us would have told you not to become associated with her.

Every time I go to that site I get upset, and I go to it only when someone has asked a question about a specific variety she lists.

When she was asked to appear at GW to defend herself she said that she was trying to make varieties sound unique, which was her excuse for renaming Green Grape Eenie Weenie, or something like, that as well as changing the name of Cherokee Purple to Native American. and more.

Granny · January 25, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

2008 updates from Amishland:
http://www.amishlandseeds.com/new2007_08.htm

VOYAGE TOMATO ~ SUPER RARE- Looks like Red Brains~Almost identical to "Riesentomate aus Siebenbьrgen" Tomato

and many others VERY RARE varieties from THE ONLY SOURCE IN USA! Sick of Lisa's lies...

That one is absolutely a lie. I saw that just the other day at JLHudson & posted it here for someone who was looking for something resembling that description - and that page has not changed in some time!

babylark · January 25, 2008

The first and only time I met her, since she is local to me, I thought...oh great, someone to talk about heirloom tomatoes with. I told her I grew some of the tomatoes that she had displayed on her plate, like Big Rainbow and Striped Cavern. She said they were different varieties and spouted off some other names. I haven't seen anything else other then Striped Caverns called Striped Caverns. After that she then snubbed me off and chased someone else down. I wasn't impressed.

March 13, 2007	#31
Adenn1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 559	Not sure why I went over to look at Amishland...but I did and had to laugh at the tomatoes she lists as VERY RARE--like Stump of the World. It's a shame that she takes such liberties to entice those who may not know much about tomatoes and such... __________________ Mark

March 14, 2007	#32
cdntomato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 554	Carolyn, I'm really concerned that not only is renaming and rehistorying happening in Canada, but it is being done by SODC executive and then 'shared' south of the border. E.G., Glenn Drowns has way too much stuff that is re or incorrectly named Canuck via a particular person of 'standing' here in the Great White North. This person has already abbreviated names he thinks are too long, incorrectly translated 'Russian' stuff, and running his for- profit seed company IMHO very much in conflict of interest with his position at SODC. We won't even talk about the potential genetic nightmare at PGRC as folks 'approved' for the Canadian Tomato project save at least 10 fruits from only 1 required plant per variety. Suggestions about how to address this appreciated. Direct contact with this person has been extremely ineffective. No cease and desist, let alone correction as he thinks he is doing nothing wrong. Lord, help me. Am seeing a lot of spin-off effects in this year's catalogues from SODC seed company-owning members. Amishland North. Jennifer, anal preservation person __________________ There is no sincerer love than the love of food. -George Bernard Shaw Last edited by cdntomato; March 14, 2007 at 10:15 AM.

July 14, 2007	#34
missionrandy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fraser Valley, BC, Canada Posts: 272	Purchased seeds from Amishland, before I heard about problems. All plants turned out exactly as described on the site, no surprises... Glad I never purchased wrongly named seeds! Randy __________________ Grow your own! Tomatoes that is...

July 20, 2007	#36
missionrandy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fraser Valley, BC, Canada Posts: 272	Hi Jay, I am like yourself, absolutely no problems with Amishland! Much more problems with other noted seed sources... Amishland sold me exactly what was described, with good service and very good germination rates. I wouldn't hesitate from purchasing once more... I can't say that about a few Canadian and American sources though! I am very picky on the seed vendours I deal with... Take care, Randy __________________ Grow your own! Tomatoes that is...

July 20, 2007	#37
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Folks, its not about whether their seeds germinate, their service is good or their tomatoes taste fine. It is all about charging exhorbitant prices for 10 seeds because histories are fabricated to make a variety look like something other than it is. __________________ Craig

March 15, 2007	#33
elkwc36 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: SW Kansas Posts: 339	There is also a Shah(Mikado White) Potato Leaf list on page 442 of the Seed Savers Yearbook. So seems to be everywhere.

July 19, 2007	#35
elkwc36 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: SW Kansas Posts: 339	Randy I had the same experience. Better than I can say for another vendor. And that vendor's problems are documented on several forums. Amishlands have done well. Jay

July 20, 2007	#41
feldon30 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,346	It's frustrating to keep seeing that you have had bad experience with well-regarded vendors. A blacklist, not to mention a list of recommended vendors is only valuable if concern and praise are given freely and openly without fear of retribution not only from the vendors, but the people who made that list. Much to the exacerbation of some of my friends, I always prefer the truth. __________________ [SIZE="3"]I've relaunched my gardening website -- [B]TheUnconventionalTomato.com[/B][/SIZE] * [I][SIZE="1"]*I'm not allowed to post weblinks so you'll have to copy-paste it manually.[/SIZE][/I]

January 25, 2008	#42
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	2008 updates from Amishland: http://www.amishlandseeds.com/new2007_08.htm RIESENTOMATE AUS SIEBENBURGEN - translates from German as " Bunchtomato from Siebenbьrgen( Transylvania) ~Rarest, Weirdest Tomato of All !~Looks Like Red BRAINS! ~ Must See!~ONLY USA SEED SOURCE!~(Note:This is NOT Riesenstraube Tomato) VOYAGE TOMATO ~ SUPER RARE- Looks like Red Brains~Almost identical to "Riesentomate aus Siebenbьrgen" Tomato "MONOMAKH`S HAT " RUSSIAN TOMATO -Translated from "SHAPKA MONOMAHA"~Only USA source! ~Limited Quantities~Monster Sized Fruit!~LIMIT 1 PACK PER CUSTOMER RUSSIAN BOGATYR TOMATO ~( Translates as "Russian Warrior") ~Only USA Source~A tomato Worth Fighting For and many others VERY RARE varieties from THE ONLY SOURCE IN USA! Sick of Lisa's lies... __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

January 25, 2008	#43
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	and many others VERY RARE varieties from THE ONLY SOURCE IN USA! Sick of Lisa's lies... ****** Yes Andrey, many of us know Lisa and her lies, and how I wish you'd let us know you were planning to send some varieties to her a few years ago b'c many of us would have told you not to become associated with her. Every time I go to that site I get upset, and I go to it only when someone has asked a question about a specific variety she lists.** When she was asked to appear at GW to defend herself she said that she was trying to make varieties sound unique, which was her excuse for renaming Green Grape Eenie Weenie, or something like, that as well as changing the name of Cherokee Purple to Native American. and more. __________________ Carolyn

January 25, 2008	#45
babylark Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lebanon, PA • Zone 6a Posts: 145	The first and only time I met her, since she is local to me, I thought...oh great, someone to talk about heirloom tomatoes with. I told her I grew some of the tomatoes that she had displayed on her plate, like Big Rainbow and Striped Cavern. She said they were different varieties and spouted off some other names. I haven't seen anything else other then Striped Caverns called Striped Caverns. After that she then snubbed me off and chased someone else down. I wasn't impressed. __________________ I can not be held responsible for anything typed above, as I believe my Corgis have learned to type!