How a Potato Plant Grows - Page 3

NathanP · May 11, 2013

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Nobody has ever seen such a potato plant as you describe. They simply don't exist. Sort of like the unicorn or philosopher's stone. Never has any meaningful picture been posted anywhere indicating the nonsense propagated by the Seattle Times. People have tried to fudge meaningless photos with a bit of Yankee blarney.

You seem awfully angry about something that you admittedly describe as unprovable.
Just because you have not seen evidence that you would accept as proof does not mean either this is not true, or that evidence does not exist. Lack of evidence for something does not make it false. You're welcome to your opinion on the matter, of course.

wingnut · May 12, 2013

Some people are more difficult to educate than others. Some folks are so smart/highly educated on a subject to have room for new information. I have out over 1,000 TPS from primitive diploid crosses (yes there are diploid potatoes) which will certainly show the traits described above.

wingnut · May 12, 2013

A question for DURGAN.....have you ever seen or worked with diploid potatoe lines? If you have not, please discontinue your blatant bashing of those who have more hands on experience than yourself.

Durgan · May 12, 2013

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Originally Posted by wingnut

A question for DURGAN.....have you ever seen or worked with diploid potatoe lines? If you have not, please discontinue your blatant bashing of those who have more hands on experience than yourself.

I have no idea what diploid potato lines are. I showed how a potato plant grows in my years of experience and have never seven saw any evidence of vertical growing along the stem.

Please educate me with convincing photos instead of empty rhetoric. I am easy to convince. “No, a proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.” ~ Jean Chrétien

I will add also. There are few if any photos of TPS potatoes. All have cameras today and it is even easy to post photos or even a heavily laced photographic record of potato production. I am waiting.

wingnut · May 12, 2013

I will certainly be able to give that proof. I never thought to take pictures of anything but whole plant, flowers, berries,tubers, and tuber interior. I know I should have taken pictures of guicho negro with ALL it's tubers on stolons 4'-6' long, but did not. As for the FEW IF ANY TPS PHOTOS...tatermater★★★★★★★★★ have a number of members putting up photos of tubers from TPS.

clkeiper · May 12, 2013

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Originally Posted by Durgan

Nobody has ever seen such a potato plant as you describe. They simply don't exist. Sort of like the unicorn or philosopher's stone. Never has any meaningful picture been posted anywhere indicating the nonsense propagated by the Seattle Times. People have tried to fudge meaningless photos with a bit of Yankee blarney.

Yankee Blarney? how do you know it isn't Irish or Southern or Canadian blarney???

I'm a Yankee and I am sure I spread no blarney around...surely I am not the only one to question where this blarney stuff comes from. Personally I think it is Irish..

RebelRidin · May 12, 2013

Yes, I think Blarney is Irish. We Yankees prefer malarky

clkeiper · May 12, 2013

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Originally Posted by RebelRidin

Yes, I think Blarney is Irish. We Yankees prefer malarky

Yeah, I think so too. If you are going to say something you must , at the very least, sound credible for it to be taken seriously.

Durgan · May 13, 2013

Actually the proper word is blulsiht, but one must be politically correct to sell a product.

Boutique Tomatoes · May 13, 2013

Durgan, diploid potatoes contain only 2 sets of chromosomes, many landrace/primitive types are diploids. They typically have smaller tubers than tetraploid potatoes (4 sets of chromosomes), which are what almost all common commercially grown types are. They also have a different growth pattern, as they haven't been selectively bred for machine harvesting.

Reminds me of my days as a chef, I talked about trying white beets in a dish instead of sweet Japanese turnips and was ridiculed because everyone knew there were no white beets; that is until I brought some in from my garden the next day. Just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

I won't try to convince you because you've obviously made up your mind that you are right and everyone else is wrong. But some of the folks you're arguing the point with have grown a lot more potato varieties than you.

Durgan · May 13, 2013

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Originally Posted by marktutt

Durgan, diploid potatoes contain only 2 sets of chromosomes, many landrace/primitive types are diploids. They typically have smaller tubers than tetraploid potatoes (4 sets of chromosomes), which are what almost all common commercially grown types are. They also have a different growth pattern, as they haven't been selectively bred for machine harvesting.

Reminds me of my days as a chef, I talked about trying white beets in a dish instead of sweet Japanese turnips and was ridiculed because everyone knew there were no white beets; that is until I brought some in from my garden the next day. Just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

I won't try to convince you because you've obviously made up your mind that you are right and everyone else is wrong. But some of the folks you're arguing the point with have grown a lot more potato varieties than you.

Has anybody ever seen a potato growing like this?
http://www.durgan.org/URL/?FABDN Virtual Potato

This is what the carpenters are propagation led by the Seattle Times.

wingnut · May 13, 2013

Durgan, looking at the copyright, I'd assume you drew that picture? I am growing over 300 varieties of potato this year, along with a few thousand plants from TPS. Some of the TPS contain genetics from stenatomum, phureja, berthalii, andegena, tuberosum as well as multigeneric crosses between them all. The genetic diversity of my plantings alone is STAGGERING. There are others such as TOM WAGNER who will be planting such huge diversity, that it DWARFS mine in comparison. I know you are one of those who are blessed with great knowledge and wisdom far beyond mine, so will bother you no further with my uneducated drivel........

NathanP · May 13, 2013

If that picture was a diploid, long season potato, and it was buried regularly until only the top 8-12" of it was exposed, then maybe it might get layers of potatoes. But not with the whole things exposed to the air, never. That looks like a tree, not a potato plant. And if you've grown potatoes like you say you have, you would know that buried leaves don't stay leaves.

wmontanez · May 13, 2013

NathanP,
Are you trying to get vertical growing tubers? I will make sure to notice that this year and maybe I can send you some I see as potential candidates next year?. You are not too far from me, I have CIP396256 that could be a good candidate....I could send you one. IF interested in documenting the results send me a PM

NathanP · May 13, 2013

How is this for documentation?

Ha. I can't get it to show my picture...

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RebelRidin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Maryland's Eastern Shore Posts: 993	Yes, I think Blarney is Irish. We Yankees prefer malarky __________________ George _____________________________ "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	NathanP, Are you trying to get vertical growing tubers? I will make sure to notice that this year and maybe I can send you some I see as potential candidates next year?. You are not too far from me, I have CIP396256 that could be a good candidate....I could send you one. IF interested in documenting the results send me a PM __________________ Wendy

May 12, 2013	#32
wingnut Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: bald hill area thurston county washington Posts: 312	Some people are more difficult to educate than others. Some folks are so smart/highly educated on a subject to have room for new information. I have out over 1,000 TPS from primitive diploid crosses (yes there are diploid potatoes) which will certainly show the traits described above.

May 13, 2013	#39
Durgan Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Brantford, ON, Canada Posts: 1,341	Actually the proper word is blulsiht, but one must be politically correct to sell a product.

May 13, 2013	#40
Boutique Tomatoes Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, Zone 5a Posts: 1,109	Durgan, diploid potatoes contain only 2 sets of chromosomes, many landrace/primitive types are diploids. They typically have smaller tubers than tetraploid potatoes (4 sets of chromosomes), which are what almost all common commercially grown types are. They also have a different growth pattern, as they haven't been selectively bred for machine harvesting. Reminds me of my days as a chef, I talked about trying white beets in a dish instead of sweet Japanese turnips and was ridiculed because everyone knew there were no white beets; that is until I brought some in from my garden the next day. Just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't out there. I won't try to convince you because you've obviously made up your mind that you are right and everyone else is wrong. But some of the folks you're arguing the point with have grown a lot more potato varieties than you.

May 13, 2013	#43
NathanP Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: RI Posts: 183	If that picture was a diploid, long season potato, and it was buried regularly until only the top 8-12" of it was exposed, then maybe it might get layers of potatoes. But not with the whole things exposed to the air, never. That looks like a tree, not a potato plant. And if you've grown potatoes like you say you have, you would know that buried leaves don't stay leaves.