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Worth1 · August 18, 2016

Thanks salt but I am not really looking for parts like the saw table and stuff as I dont need them.
They would only take up space.

That saw attachment is dangerous.

Worth

Worth1 · August 18, 2016

There is a funny story behind this color of paint.
Several years ago one of the guys that worked for me flipped a cigarette butt out the window.
It landed in the back of his truck and caught a box on fire.
Inside this box was a big back can for a fire alarm panel that cost several hundred dollars.
It burned the paint off the panel.
The guy told me what he did and since he knew I have spray painting equipment he simply told me I was going to have to repaint it.

I took the back can to the professional paint supply had the paint matched up and repainted the thing that night and it was ready to install the next day.
No worries and no big deal what is done is done, just fix it and move on.

That guy was like a son to me and died later on.
Now some of his paint is on my lathe to remember him by.

Well any who this is some of that paint I had mixed up.
Works for me.

Worth

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Worth1 · August 18, 2016

Here is the rest of the motor housing and I have enough of this yellow wire to wire up the moon.
Also on hand at the house is a good quality of the period safety switch I will install.
This way I cant bump the thing and have it turn on accidentally.

Worth
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Worth1 · August 18, 2016

From painting to electrician to machinist.

Here is a picture of the old carriage bolt they were using for a handle.
I am making new ones.
When I get the lathe up and running I will make wooden knobs for them.
A person would play the devil trying to find this stuff in a store.
Worth
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Worth1 · August 18, 2016

Okay one last boring pictuer I have the handles finished at last.
It was driving me nuts they were missing.

I haven't had a bite to eat all day either.

Worth
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loulac · August 19, 2016

A brilliant work, as usual. No use gathering parts you will never use, if one day you need a press you'll build one with a hydraulic jack. A saw blade is useful, but you can use one in the chuck, carefully of course as you won't have any protection.
Now 2 silly questions :
- have you protected unpainted parts with a thin layer of oil?
- Where will you set the switch ? stopping the lathe in an emergency is less important than with a metal lathe, but sometimes...

Worth1 · August 19, 2016

I have a drill press a small homemade hydraulic press and a table saw no need to put something dangerous on the lathe.

The switch is where you see it in reach.
All non painted parts are kept wiped in mineral oil also known as hydraulic fluid.
When I broke in the other lathe I saved the oil for this.

Worth

Worth1 · August 19, 2016

I got the motor back up and running.
One pair of wires coming out goes to the starting circuit the other pair goes to the run circuit.
I just had to use my ohm meter to make sure that what I assumed was correct.
By swapping the wires that go to the starting capacitor you can change direction of the motor.
The stator has two sets of winding one is the run set the other is the start set.
By firing off the start set it bumps the motor in what ever direction you want.
Once the motor is up to speed it has a centrifugal switch that shuts that circuit off.

If you have a motor at home that clicks after you shut it off this is the switch clicking back on.
If you hit the reverse switch before that click the motor will continue to rotate in the direction is was going without reversing.
There are a lot of different kinds of motors this is just the single phase induction motor.

Looking in the old manual this was assumed to be known by everyone at the time.
They didn't even show a diagram.

If you look on instructions today it just says connect colored wires to terminals so and so.
They dont explain what is going on.

I like to know what is going on and why.

I will make the motor reversible because of sanding purposes and I have the switch to do it.

Worth

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Worth1 · August 19, 2016

Got the motor hanging and doing a test run for Smokey the inspector cat.
Runs like a champ.
Somehow this turned into a vampire paint theme.

Worth

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Worth1 · August 19, 2016

Here is the motor reversing switch wired up correctly and being tested.
The two wires going to the terminals on the right are the feed from the outlet and the wires going to the run coils of the motor.
The two wires on the left go to the starting capacitor and the start coils.
When you flip the switch the continuity swaps from feeding the voltage from one side to the other.
In effect reversing the wires so the connection is changed from right top to left top to right top to left bottom the same for the other connection on the bottom right as well.
You can flip this switch till the cows come home as long as the motor is running and it wont do anything.
Turn the motor off and let it spin down then flip the switch and it will reverse.

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dmforcier · August 19, 2016

Quote:

Looking in the old manual this was assumed to be known by everyone at the time.

Heck, I didn't know it. Well done!

Smokey looks appropriately suspicious. Would make a good inspector.

Worth1 · August 19, 2016

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Originally Posted by dmforcier

Heck, I didn't know it. Well done!

Smokey looks appropriately suspicious. Would make a good inspector.

Thank you, it isn't a perfect restoration by any means but it is for me and free.
I didn't say this but the guy didn't even want the money after it was all said and done.
I had to go look at old ,military training videos to remember how these things worked.
I'm more used to working with DC when it comes to some of this stuff.
I had a huge oil field pump jack motor melt down on me one time and am very leery of them.
I didn't do anything wrong it was running when I shut it off and it literally melted down when I started it back up.
Molten copper was running out of it and smoke was boiling out the vents.

Worth

Worth1 · August 20, 2016

Got it all wired up and running.
The ball of wire splice will be fixed when I find the male plug I need to make up another cord.
The reversing switch is in the back of the machine mounted in a box and it is all properly grounded.
There isn't one place on the machine that doesn't go to ground.
The original wasn't grounded and at that time it was common not to have grounded outlets.

Now I am ready to get this thing out of my way.

Worth
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dmforcier · August 20, 2016

You say the tool rest is gone? That's too bad. I'd love to see you turn something on it.

Worth1 · August 20, 2016

I could whip up a tool rest pretty easy what I dont have is the turning tools.
Never turned anything on a wood lathe in my life but I know how to do it.

Worth

August 19, 2016	#38
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Motor back up and running. I got the motor back up and running. One pair of wires coming out goes to the starting circuit the other pair goes to the run circuit. I just had to use my ohm meter to make sure that what I assumed was correct. By swapping the wires that go to the starting capacitor you can change direction of the motor. The stator has two sets of winding one is the run set the other is the start set. By firing off the start set it bumps the motor in what ever direction you want. Once the motor is up to speed it has a centrifugal switch that shuts that circuit off. If you have a motor at home that clicks after you shut it off this is the switch clicking back on. If you hit the reverse switch before that click the motor will continue to rotate in the direction is was going without reversing. There are a lot of different kinds of motors this is just the single phase induction motor. Looking in the old manual this was assumed to be known by everyone at the time. They didn't even show a diagram. If you look on instructions today it just says connect colored wires to terminals so and so. They dont explain what is going on. I like to know what is going on and why. I will make the motor reversible because of sanding purposes and I have the switch to do it. Worth 20160819_124554.jpg

August 20, 2016	#44
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	You say the tool rest is gone? That's too bad. I'd love to see you turn something on it. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

August 18, 2016	#31
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Thanks salt but I am not really looking for parts like the saw table and stuff as I dont need them. They would only take up space. That saw attachment is dangerous. Worth

August 19, 2016	#36
loulac Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: France Posts: 554	A brilliant work, as usual. No use gathering parts you will never use, if one day you need a press you'll build one with a hydraulic jack. A saw blade is useful, but you can use one in the chuck, carefully of course as you won't have any protection. Now 2 silly questions : - have you protected unpainted parts with a thin layer of oil? - Where will you set the switch ? stopping the lathe in an emergency is less important than with a metal lathe, but sometimes...