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Old February 24, 2011   #31
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Hmmm....a thought just struck me.

Somatic mutations are pretty rare...but consider the sheer number of tomato plants grown annually. Let's say there is a 1/1000 of a percent chance of a somatic mutation showing up but the number of plants grown in a year, in the US alone, numbers in the 100s of millions, that basically means that there should be thousands of them that appear, annually. Many of them go totally undiscovered/are ignored so they disappear. (Work it out however you like...give it a million in 1 chance of occurring and you are still in the dozens per year...and if you go to world wide numbers grown you could probably carry it out to 10s of billions to 1 and STILL have a considerable number.)

So while something may be rare, the vast quantity of the item in question being grown gives the potential for a fairly large number to actually appear.
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Old February 24, 2011   #32
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Someone please explain Fegee tomato and Fejee Improved Beefsteak, variously described as "brown" or "maroon" and introduced about 1878, by Livingston Seed Company. Brown or maroon coloration indicates gf to me.


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http://books.google.com/books?id=e82...tomato&f=false
Travis, I don't remember that Fegee or however we want to spell it was ever a Livingston variety. Mike Dunton and Craig are the two experts on the Livingston varieties and here's a link to Mikes listing of the Livingston varieties known;

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_livingston.html

The second link you gave I couldn't find anything about Fegee, I guess my bad.

The third link is to the tomato book that Andy Smith wrote and Craig and I know him well. Again, what did I miss? As I recall Andy listed Fegee extinct at the back of the book as I recall, with the others he deemed to be extinct. My book is somewhere here are the floor to my left but I'm not up to a search mission right now.



There are far more refences to Fegee in the two links I gave above, the one to True Black Brandywine, and the one which has the info Keith posted about the gf alles.

Can you find anything in the assigmnent of those gf alles that appears to be brown or maroon, and those colors are in the eye of the beholder and not everyone seeds them as brown or maroon, even those others see them that way.
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Old February 24, 2011   #33
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I will warn you right now Blane that although it's true you won't be banned for mentioning another site here, you will be banned if you've intentionally come over from that specific site to stir up trouble here.

The ice beneath you is preciously thin, so skate very carefully.
Im not trying to start any trouble Craig, I just wanted share something, thats all.
Ill lay low for awhile, and yall can do the reads, cause thats what I need to do myself.peace out, lilhammerlane.

Oh that, and grow the Holy crap out of some Maters!
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