Bloody Butcher not pl? - Page 3

Suze · April 20, 2011

Adam, glad you weighed in here! While BB isn't exactly "rare", for whatever reason, there are not many vendors who carry it, so good to know for future reference that you have the correct leaf type.

It remains one of my favorite ultra-early varieties. Consistently one of the first ripe here (it's usually either Sungold or BB), and always under 50-60 days. Sure, it won't win any taste contests when compared to later season, larger fruited varieties, but darned good for what it is.

I look forward to my first home-grown tomato of the season, and more often than not, it's BB. Picked my first ripe ones (2) on 4/17 from a plant set in a container on 2/28.

lurley · May 6, 2011

checked on my BB seedlings today, all regular leaf. Bought the seed off a Burpee rack this year, the package clearly states potato leaf. This is the first year, that as I pot up I check on the leaves of what I am potting up, sooo many not the right type. Usually I chalk it up to myself being clumsy "oh, must have dropped a seed" but when 3 out of 12 are wrong? Even I'm not that clumsy. Almost all my seeds were commercially purchased, fresh this year, after a small disaster with the greenhouse and the dogs.

cloz · May 6, 2011

I just checked the 5 Burpee Bloody Butcher Seeds I planted to check if they were RL or PL. They are RL so I assume they are actually not Bloody Butcher either. My Baker Creek Bloody Butcher's are potato leaf but not the Burpee seeds. These Burpee seeds are packed for 2011 and Lot #1. I wonder what they really are?

suburbangreen · May 6, 2011

My RL Butcher imposters are almost ripe. The plants are very productive with red fruits from 2 to 4 oz. The one I have in the ground is about 4 ft tall and healthy. The plant is probably some type of hybrid, breed for production, uniform fruit and shelf-life(I don't expect much tastewise, but I'm desperate for anything homegrown right now). This fruit is also one of the earliest in my garden, but not earlier than Sungold or Stupice.

Pete

dice · May 9, 2011

Real Bloody Butcher (PL, seeds from a member here that
grows it every year) is a little earlier than Stupice for me,
about 5 days.

cloz · May 10, 2011

Here is a picture of the 5 Burpee Bloody Butcher's I planted. The package clearly says potato leaf and it is obvious all 5 plants are not potato leaf. My other real non-Burpee Bloody Butchers will get planted this week.

roper2008 · May 14, 2011

I planted one bloody butcher last year. It was regular leaf and it wasn't
very good. Looks like I didn't have the real BB anyway.

Allura · May 14, 2011

I wish I would have read this thread alot earlier. I purchased the Burpee Heirlooms Bloody Butcher seeds 2011, Lot #3 and also got RL plants. It didn't dawn on me to check the leaves until now, when I ran out in the rain to look in the little greenhouse and found RL BB's. I only picked these b/c I wanted to try an earlier variety. Guess I'll plant 1-2 and see what develops.

Any ideas for an early yet tasty tomato plant to look for at the nursery?

**coronabarb** · May 14, 2011

That's a tough one...my fave early REALLY tasty tomatoes are Stupice and Jaune Flammee but you're not going to find those at most nurseries. IF it were me needing a tasty early tomato from a nursery, I'd plant a cherry like Sungold.

Allura · May 14, 2011

coronabarb, I actually did see Jaune Flammee at a home improvement store here called Menards. They had a selection of Organic Heirloom tomatoes and I was surprised to see varieties that have never been available before. I picked up two Solecki plants. I have grown them before but did not start any this year. Tomorrow I'll get myself over there and see if anything is left. Thanks for your suggestion.

dice · May 15, 2011

Comparable to Bloody Butcher in size and dtm:

Stupice
Kotlas
Moravsky Div
Matina (a little later, but I have only grown it once)
Siberian

There are others, but they are more obscure than these
(Moravsky Div is already quite obscure by non-Tomatoville
standards).

May 15, 2011

My open pollinated early varieties were killed by a frost and I had to settle for some seedlings purchased from a vendor. The earliest for me has been the hybrid variety named Fourth Of July. I planted the seedlings on March 7 and we started eating ripe tomatoes in the first week of May. It is the most productive tomato I've ever grown. Unlike most early varieties which seem to be determinates and produce a lot of tomatoes early and then stop producing, this plant supposedly produces through the summer into fall. I wouldn't call them great tasting, but they are good tasting. Our daughter thinks they are great and taste very sweet. My taste buds look more for the tart and tangy flavors and didn't find them in this variety. I think they will be great as a sauce, or stewed, or frozen for later use. I hope they become more tart with summer heat. I will be planting these in the future. The photo shows the concentration of fruit near the bottom of the plant. The concentration continues to the top of the plant. I've cut the tops off the plants on one side because they grew so fast they started blocking my path between beds. Ted

erlyberd · May 16, 2011

Sorry, been busy! Cloz, I'm all set on the BB, thanks very much though. Suze mailed me some seed just in the nick of time. I still have one RL bur-pthe-bee growing for comparison. I had 300 plants to manage up until the last week or two. The great tomato rush is over! Started picking MAY 5th this year, Stupice instead of Kimberley, opposite of last year? Here's to some good weather for all!

cloz · May 16, 2011

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Originally Posted by erlyberd

Sorry, been busy! Cloz, I'm all set on the BB, thanks very much though. Suze mailed me some seed just in the nick of time. I still have one RL bur-pthe-bee growing for comparison. I had 300 plants to manage up until the last week or two. The great tomato rush is over! Started picking MAY 5th this year, Stupice instead of Kimberley, opposite of last year? Here's to some good weather for all!

Wow, you really are early. I just put out container planted Bloody Butcher, Stupica, Siberian and Sungold about 2 weeks ago. I wheelbarrowed about 3 1/2 yards of compost onto my garden and then the rains came. Looks like next weekend until I can plant out my other tomatoes.

**carolyn137** · May 16, 2011

There are others, but they are more obscure than these
(Moravsky Div is already quite obscure by non-Tomatoville
standards).

*****

Not really Dice, b'c I SSE listed it and have sent out lots of seeds that way and also sent it to the several places for trial where I usually send varieties that I think are great. And I also participate at A few other message sites where I've mentioned it when folks are looking for a good early variety.

Tania hasn't finished updating everything for 2011 I don't think, but here are three places where seeds are being sold:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Moravsky_Div

...... and I expect others to follow. Jeff Casey and Adam Gleckler participate here at Tville and I just found out that Heritage does as well from a post he made here either today or yesterday.

May 9, 2011	#35
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	Real Bloody Butcher (PL, seeds from a member here that grows it every year) is a little earlier than Stupice for me, about 5 days. __________________ -- alias

May 14, 2011	#39
coronabarb Tomatoville® Recipe Keeper Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roseburg, Oregon - zone 7 Posts: 2,821	That's a tough one...my fave early REALLY tasty tomatoes are Stupice and Jaune Flammee but you're not going to find those at most nurseries. IF it were me needing a tasty early tomato from a nursery, I'd plant a cherry like Sungold. __________________ Corona~Barb Now an Oregon gal

May 15, 2011	#41
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	Comparable to Bloody Butcher in size and dtm: Stupice Kotlas Moravsky Div Matina (a little later, but I have only grown it once) Siberian There are others, but they are more obscure than these (Moravsky Div is already quite obscure by non-Tomatoville standards). __________________ -- alias

May 16, 2011	#45
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	There are others, but they are more obscure than these (Moravsky Div is already quite obscure by non-Tomatoville standards). ***** Not really Dice, b'c I SSE listed it and have sent out lots of seeds that way and also sent it to the several places for trial where I usually send varieties that I think are great. And I also participate at A few other message sites where I've mentioned it when folks are looking for a good early variety. Tania hasn't finished updating everything for 2011 I don't think, but here are three places where seeds are being sold: http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Moravsky_Div ...... and I expect others to follow. Jeff Casey and Adam Gleckler participate here at Tville and I just found out that Heritage does as well from a post he made here either today or yesterday. __________________ Carolyn

April 20, 2011	#31
Suze Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 3,027	Adam, glad you weighed in here! While BB isn't exactly "rare", for whatever reason, there are not many vendors who carry it, so good to know for future reference that you have the correct leaf type. It remains one of my favorite ultra-early varieties. Consistently one of the first ripe here (it's usually either Sungold or BB), and always under 50-60 days. Sure, it won't win any taste contests when compared to later season, larger fruited varieties, but darned good for what it is. I look forward to my first home-grown tomato of the season, and more often than not, it's BB. Picked my first ripe ones (2) on 4/17 from a plant set in a container on 2/28.

May 6, 2011	#32
lurley Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 741	checked on my BB seedlings today, all regular leaf. Bought the seed off a Burpee rack this year, the package clearly states potato leaf. This is the first year, that as I pot up I check on the leaves of what I am potting up, sooo many not the right type. Usually I chalk it up to myself being clumsy "oh, must have dropped a seed" but when 3 out of 12 are wrong? Even I'm not that clumsy. Almost all my seeds were commercially purchased, fresh this year, after a small disaster with the greenhouse and the dogs.

May 6, 2011	#33
cloz Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 435	I just checked the 5 Burpee Bloody Butcher Seeds I planted to check if they were RL or PL. They are RL so I assume they are actually not Bloody Butcher either. My Baker Creek Bloody Butcher's are potato leaf but not the Burpee seeds. These Burpee seeds are packed for 2011 and Lot #1. I wonder what they really are?

May 6, 2011	#34
suburbangreen Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: DFW Posts: 4	My RL Butcher imposters are almost ripe. The plants are very productive with red fruits from 2 to 4 oz. The one I have in the ground is about 4 ft tall and healthy. The plant is probably some type of hybrid, breed for production, uniform fruit and shelf-life(I don't expect much tastewise, but I'm desperate for anything homegrown right now). This fruit is also one of the earliest in my garden, but not earlier than Sungold or Stupice. Pete

May 14, 2011	#37
roper2008 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Virginia Bch, VA (7b) Posts: 1,337	I planted one bloody butcher last year. It was regular leaf and it wasn't very good. Looks like I didn't have the real BB anyway.

May 14, 2011	#38
Allura Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Chicago, IL ., Z5b Posts: 19	I wish I would have read this thread alot earlier. I purchased the Burpee Heirlooms Bloody Butcher seeds 2011, Lot #3 and also got RL plants. It didn't dawn on me to check the leaves until now, when I ran out in the rain to look in the little greenhouse and found RL BB's. I only picked these b/c I wanted to try an earlier variety. Guess I'll plant 1-2 and see what develops. Any ideas for an early yet tasty tomato plant to look for at the nursery?

May 15, 2011	#42
tedln Guest Posts: n/a	My open pollinated early varieties were killed by a frost and I had to settle for some seedlings purchased from a vendor. The earliest for me has been the hybrid variety named Fourth Of July. I planted the seedlings on March 7 and we started eating ripe tomatoes in the first week of May. It is the most productive tomato I've ever grown. Unlike most early varieties which seem to be determinates and produce a lot of tomatoes early and then stop producing, this plant supposedly produces through the summer into fall. I wouldn't call them great tasting, but they are good tasting. Our daughter thinks they are great and taste very sweet. My taste buds look more for the tart and tangy flavors and didn't find them in this variety. I think they will be great as a sauce, or stewed, or frozen for later use. I hope they become more tart with summer heat. I will be planting these in the future. The photo shows the concentration of fruit near the bottom of the plant. The concentration continues to the top of the plant. I've cut the tops off the plants on one side because they grew so fast they started blocking my path between beds. Ted

May 16, 2011	#43
erlyberd Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CT Zone 5 Posts: 186	Sorry, been busy! Cloz, I'm all set on the BB, thanks very much though. Suze mailed me some seed just in the nick of time. I still have one RL bur-pthe-bee growing for comparison. I had 300 plants to manage up until the last week or two. The great tomato rush is over! Started picking MAY 5th this year, Stupice instead of Kimberley, opposite of last year? Here's to some good weather for all!