A question about OP Tomatoes and Yield - Page 3

RinTinTin · January 23, 2016

Getting back to the original post, buying seed from more local sources was suggested as a way of getting adapted plants. While that practice is certainly worthwhile for nursery stock, it is often irrelevant for seeds.

Most seed vendors do not produce their own seed. They buy from producers. So, the vendor in Puget Sound may be selling the exact same seeds as the vendor in Key West.

Al@NC · January 23, 2016

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Originally Posted by RinTinTin

Getting back to the original post, buying seed from more local sources was suggested as a way of getting adapted plants. While that practice is certainly worthwhile for nursery stock, it is often irrelevant for seeds.

Most seed vendors do not produce their own seed. They buy from producers. So, the vendor in Puget Sound may be selling the exact same seeds as the vendor in Key West.

Good point RinTinTIn. I was looking at VictorySeeds.com and on some of the tomato pics, it appears that they might have been grown down in Oregon but I'm not sure of it. Many of them are marked with the year and "VictorySeeds" so I'm hopeful.

I'm thinking Tatiana is another great place to get somewhat PNW naturalized seed as she tells you the years that she grew the seed and her source. I'm not sure about Casey's in Canada also but it appears he grows seed also.

All of these sources are better than going to the box stores and grabbing a pack of burpees that list India on the back as to where they were grown though!

Allen

**carolyn137** · January 23, 2016

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Originally Posted by Al@NC

Good point RinTinTIn. I was looking at VictorySeeds.com and on some of the tomato pics, it appears that they might have been grown down in Oregon but I'm not sure of it. Many of them are marked with the year and "VictorySeeds" so I'm hopeful.

I'm thinking Tatiana is another great place to get somewhat PNW naturalized seed as she tells you the years that she grew the seed and her source. I'm not sure about Casey's in Canada also but it appears he grows seed also.

All of these sources are better than going to the box stores and grabbing a pack of burpees that list India on the back as to where they were grown though!

Allen

Mike Dunton at Victory seeds does grow his own as does Tania in BC Canada as does Jeff Casey, also in Canada.

And there are other seed vendors in the seed Forum who also grow their own and process their own seeds as well, but not for those who do believe in adaptation I guess.

Carolyn, who still does not believe in adaptation, ahem, but tries to be helpful otherwise and does know the three mentioned above very well.

Al@NC · January 23, 2016

Thanks Carolyn for the clarification on whether those guys grow their own seeds.

I think I get what you're saying, last year was my first season here in the PNW and one of the questions was whether or not we could grow big rainbow here. I tried to with a pack of burpee seeds and didn't get a ripened fruit from either of the 2 plants I grew. At the same time though, Victoryseeds.com lists big rainbow and while they do list it at 90 days, they appear to have been able to get ripe fruit! Looking at the pics dated 2002, I'm curious if they've had their big rainbow seed adjust to the climate a bit here...

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_big-rainbow.html

joseph · January 23, 2016

It's very common for people to buy seeds from me, and then turn around and resell them. These are people who's web sites often give the appearance that they grow their own seed. Because of that, I generally believe that most seed stores sell seed grown by others unless I see a notice that says something substantially similar to the following: "We grow every seed we sell. We grow them on our own farm located in XYZ. We do not sub-contract seed growing."

**carolyn137** · January 23, 2016

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Originally Posted by Al@NC

Thanks Carolyn for the clarification on whether those guys grow their own seeds.

I think I get what you're saying, last year was my first season here in the PNW and one of the questions was whether or not we could grow big rainbow here. I tried to with a pack of burpee seeds and didn't get a ripened fruit from either of the 2 plants I grew. At the same time though, Victoryseeds.com lists big rainbow and while they do list it at 90 days, they appear to have been able to get ripe fruit! Looking at the pics dated 2002, I'm curious if they've had their big rainbow seed adjust to the climate a bit here...

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_big-rainbow.html

And I think it should interest you to find out where Big Rainbow was first found and named and it wasn't in the south.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Big_Rainbow

I've sent Mike all sorts of varieties from many places and he's never had trouble getting any of them to grow well and save seed and if you spend some time looking through his tomatoes he usually ID's where he got his seeds from,not all the time but mostly and you'll see my name on quite a few as well.

Carolyn

Al@NC · January 23, 2016

You're right Carolyn! Several of Mike's varieties at Victory have you listed as the source. I had never looked up big rainbow's history, I had incorrectly assumed it was from the south though.

I've been looking at Danko and Ashleigh both from you on Mike's site! I also like the looks of Valena Pink and Wood's famous Brimmer tomato...

Al

January 23, 2016	#31
RinTinTin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 581	Getting back to the original post, buying seed from more local sources was suggested as a way of getting adapted plants. While that practice is certainly worthwhile for nursery stock, it is often irrelevant for seeds. Most seed vendors do not produce their own seed. They buy from producers. So, the vendor in Puget Sound may be selling the exact same seeds as the vendor in Key West.

January 23, 2016	#34
Al@NC Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Vernon, BC Posts: 720	Thanks Carolyn for the clarification on whether those guys grow their own seeds. I think I get what you're saying, last year was my first season here in the PNW and one of the questions was whether or not we could grow big rainbow here. I tried to with a pack of burpee seeds and didn't get a ripened fruit from either of the 2 plants I grew. At the same time though, Victoryseeds.com lists big rainbow and while they do list it at 90 days, they appear to have been able to get ripe fruit! Looking at the pics dated 2002, I'm curious if they've had their big rainbow seed adjust to the climate a bit here... http://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_big-rainbow.html

January 23, 2016	#35
joseph Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Cache Valley, N/E of The Great Salt Lake Posts: 1,244	It's very common for people to buy seeds from me, and then turn around and resell them. These are people who's web sites often give the appearance that they grow their own seed. Because of that, I generally believe that most seed stores sell seed grown by others unless I see a notice that says something substantially similar to the following: "We grow every seed we sell. We grow them on our own farm located in XYZ. We do not sub-contract seed growing."