Suddenly Yellow Leaves - Page 3

Worth1 · May 27, 2016

I dont see how it could be FW unless you brought it in with the soil.
Worth

OzoneNY · May 27, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worth1

I dont see how it could be FW unless you brought it in with the soil.
Worth

I dont know that I did or didnt. Honestly, I dont know what it is thats killing my plants but I did the copper spray and I dont think that helped much. I got the thrips under control weeks ago with the lacewings and beneficial nematodes so Im not sure what I have. For certain though, these plants are turning yellower by the minute it seems. Im going to Austin next weekend (9 days out) and I dont think they will survive past that first weekend in June

Worth1 · May 27, 2016

I think it is just the rain doing this.
We have had about 5 inches so far today and it is still raining.
I will never complain about rain Texas needs it so bad.

Worth

AlittleSalt · May 27, 2016

I agree Worth, Texas does need the rain.

It has been raining and storming here again today. I'm going to have to move the oak leaves away from the tomato plants just to give the ground a chance to dry out some.

I haven't had a chance to go look at the main garden yet because it's nonstop raining this morning. The plants I can see in the raised beds look like what you would expect after 10 hours of rain.

OzoneNY · May 27, 2016

You got way more rain than we did so far this spring. But so far this spring, we have about half the rain fall we had last year at this time. I hear Houston is submerged like a 1600's ship wreck.

Dewayne mater · May 27, 2016

Ozone - what is your water source? If this is new soil 2 years ago, FW should not be in the soil already in a suburban garden. The things I've seen show that stagnant water and/or pond water as a water source is a danger for FW. Having come this far, I'd sure wait it out. I'd probably do a nitrogen push to see if they can grow out of it, though if it is FW, they won't.

So far, I've been lucky and able to keep bugs and disease mostly in check. All the overcast, cooler weather and thunderstorms has definitely created a climate for growth and tomato pollination. Knock on wood. Good luck Salt and Ozone. You too diesel man!

Dewayne

OzoneNY · May 27, 2016

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Originally Posted by Dewayne mater

Ozone - what is your water source? If this is new soil 2 years ago, FW should not be in the soil already in a suburban garden. The things I've seen show that stagnant water and/or pond water as a water source is a danger for FW. Having come this far, I'd sure wait it out. I'd probably do a nitrogen push to see if they can grow out of it, though if it is FW, they won't.

So far, I've been lucky and able to keep bugs and disease mostly in check. All the overcast, cooler weather and thunderstorms has definitely created a climate for growth and tomato pollination. Knock on wood. Good luck Salt and Ozone. You too diesel man!

Dewayne

So far, I watered only once last month from the same garden hose I used last year. Other than that, the rain is doing the watering.

b54red · May 27, 2016

I sympathize with you on all that rain. Our season started out with the wettest April and early March I can remember. We had over 20 inches in less than a month and over one weekend nearly 11 inches. Got some small hail to make sure the plants really looked pitiful but thankfully they were still small and had plenty of time to recover. I gave mine a shot of Liquid Lawn from Urban Farms in order to give them back some of the nitrogen that had leached out and it worked like a charm. I hated to apply a liquid fertilizer to soaked soil but the plants were so pale and starved for nitrogen so I just went with it and I'm glad I did. We were also lucky in the disease front because despite all that rain it came early enough that the small plants were not as susceptible as when they are larger and fruiting. i did go out and spray every week with the diluted bleach spray because my fungicides just got washed off.

It doesn't take FW long to find new soil and infect it around here. I think it may even come in with the rain because of how fast it can infect a potted tomato with sterile planting medium. I tried using planters for two years and it did delay the FW but eventually it got into most of them. The best solution to FW is plants grafted onto a very resistant rootstock. Since I have been doing that it is very unusual for a plant to get FW but it does sometimes get to one or two of them towards the end of the season.

Bill

dustdevil · May 27, 2016

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Originally Posted by Worth1

Guys this sucks we all worked so hard this winter too.
The darn rain hasn't stopped and it sounds like an artillery barrage outside.
I'm covered in kerosene to keep the chiggers and flies off.

Worth

Kerosene is a carcinogen when applied to the skin. It enters your circulatory system eventually. Try something safer such as protective mesh under your helmet

AlittleSalt · May 27, 2016

Thank you Bill, you answered some of my thoughts/questions. June 1, is my scheduled day to fertilize. I'm going to see if I can find some with a higher N ratio. What I have now is 10-10-10 and MG tomato food 18-18-21.

For the past... basically May - it hasn't rained large amounts. There's fog and dew that's keeping the plants wet for half the day, and it'll rain a couple tenths of an inch. Just enough to keep the plants wet.

Last night and today's rain has only totaled 2 and 3/10" - even though it has been raining for over 11 hours now. A deep soaking rain.

newgardener_tx · May 27, 2016

I have this yellow leave and brown stems too, mostly on my brandywine family plants. I took all of them out. I think it is FW. Growing tomato is not easy.

Worth1 · May 27, 2016

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Originally Posted by dustdevil

Kerosene is a carcinogen when applied to the skin. It enters your circulatory system eventually. Try something safer such as protective mesh under your helmet

It isn't as I am spraying myself down with it is on my shirt and pants from using it and mineral oil for a cutting fluid.

Skeeters hate the smell of kerosene.
I bet the same amount of DEET is more harmful.

Worth

dustdevil · May 27, 2016

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Originally Posted by Worth1

It isn't as I am spraying myself down with it is on my shirt and pants from using it and mineral oil for a cutting fluid.

Skeeters hate the smell of kerosene.
I bet the same amount of DEET is more harmful.

Worth

Don't get too close to the grill

AlittleSalt · May 28, 2016

The pictures show tomato plants that were extras I grew as possible replacements. They are planted out in the backyard. See the grass around them

No garden has ever been planted there.

Anyway, they're showing the same signs as the ones in the garden and raised beds. Out of around 180 tomato plants - about 25 of them have yellow leaf sections.

There was wilt on 4 plants that was so bad I removed them. Of those, two were Sungold, one Umberto, and one Stump of the World I found with no leaves whatsoever. The Porter I pulled didn't have wilted leaves.

dustdevil · May 29, 2016

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May 27, 2016	#31
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	I dont see how it could be FW unless you brought it in with the soil. Worth

May 27, 2016	#34
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I agree Worth, Texas does need the rain. It has been raining and storming here again today. I'm going to have to move the oak leaves away from the tomato plants just to give the ground a chance to dry out some. I haven't had a chance to go look at the main garden yet because it's nonstop raining this morning. The plants I can see in the raised beds look like what you would expect after 10 hours of rain.

May 27, 2016	#35
OzoneNY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Frisco Texas Posts: 390	You got way more rain than we did so far this spring. But so far this spring, we have about half the rain fall we had last year at this time. I hear Houston is submerged like a 1600's ship wreck.

May 27, 2016	#36
Dewayne mater Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2008 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,212	Ozone - what is your water source? If this is new soil 2 years ago, FW should not be in the soil already in a suburban garden. The things I've seen show that stagnant water and/or pond water as a water source is a danger for FW. Having come this far, I'd sure wait it out. I'd probably do a nitrogen push to see if they can grow out of it, though if it is FW, they won't. So far, I've been lucky and able to keep bugs and disease mostly in check. All the overcast, cooler weather and thunderstorms has definitely created a climate for growth and tomato pollination. Knock on wood. Good luck Salt and Ozone. You too diesel man! Dewayne

May 27, 2016	#38
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I sympathize with you on all that rain. Our season started out with the wettest April and early March I can remember. We had over 20 inches in less than a month and over one weekend nearly 11 inches. Got some small hail to make sure the plants really looked pitiful but thankfully they were still small and had plenty of time to recover. I gave mine a shot of Liquid Lawn from Urban Farms in order to give them back some of the nitrogen that had leached out and it worked like a charm. I hated to apply a liquid fertilizer to soaked soil but the plants were so pale and starved for nitrogen so I just went with it and I'm glad I did. We were also lucky in the disease front because despite all that rain it came early enough that the small plants were not as susceptible as when they are larger and fruiting. i did go out and spray every week with the diluted bleach spray because my fungicides just got washed off. It doesn't take FW long to find new soil and infect it around here. I think it may even come in with the rain because of how fast it can infect a potted tomato with sterile planting medium. I tried using planters for two years and it did delay the FW but eventually it got into most of them. The best solution to FW is plants grafted onto a very resistant rootstock. Since I have been doing that it is very unusual for a plant to get FW but it does sometimes get to one or two of them towards the end of the season. Bill

May 27, 2016	#41
newgardener_tx Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: austin, tx Posts: 249	I have this yellow leave and brown stems too, mostly on my brandywine family plants. I took all of them out. I think it is FW. Growing tomato is not easy.