Porch Peppers - Page 3

Cole_Robbie · July 17, 2016

I'm think they are. I have not cut one open yet. The first time growing them, it's hard to tell when any of these peppers are ripe, because they turn so many colors. I think red is the final color, even for dark varieties like Black Pearl and Chile Conga.

AlittleSalt · July 17, 2016

Very nice looking peppers Cole. There are a lot on your list that I would like to grow as well.

I'm growing a few smaller ornamentals that I'll be sending seed in to the MMMM - as well as offering in trades..

Filus Blue
Marbles
Masquerade
Riot
Thai Chili

And a couple others that grow a larger plant.

Cole_Robbie · July 17, 2016

thank you, Salt.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

The Roseto is a hanging basket candidate. Looking great.

Well, mine is just falling over because it needs a stake, but that is an interesting idea.

dmforcier · July 17, 2016

IIRC, ~~Marbles~~ is a patented plant.

Medusa, not Marbles.

AlittleSalt · July 17, 2016

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Originally Posted by dmforcier

IIRC, Marbles is a patented plant.

I did not know that. Here's what they look like http://parkseed.com/marbles-pepper-seeds/p/05290-PK-P1/

clkingtx · July 17, 2016

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

I did not know that. Here's what they look like http://parkseed.com/marbles-pepper-seeds/p/05290-PK-P1/

I read it was developed at Oregon State University(via tradewindsfruit.com), wow, they look so good! I couldn't find any information on it being a protected variety.

It looks so cool!

dmforcier · July 18, 2016

Oops. Sorry, my bad. It is Medusa that is patented. A great little ornamental that would fit nicely in a basket.

Adriana · July 18, 2016

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Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

Sorry. you're right. I had it written two ways.

My plants in the greenhouse have ants and aphids so badly, I'm not going to take them to market tomorrow. The ones on the porch don't seem nearly as bad.

I just now came inside to research ways to get the ant-run aphid farms off my plants.

For aphids mix 1 part alcohol, 1 part Murphy's Oil Soap, 9 parts water. Spray 3 times, 3 days apart to get all stages of the life cycle.

Good luck, they are the cockroaches of the greenhouse world.

Cole_Robbie · August 22, 2016

Cherry Moon is great with black beans, but for tonight's batch, I also threw in a whole Fatali pepper. Those beans have a fruity burn that I am loving, just from one pod. Fatali is going to be a grow-again variety for me.

My Foot Smells · August 22, 2016

never grown a fatali pepper, sounds like the name of a female Russian spy. is it hot?

dmforcier · August 22, 2016

Oh yeah, hot. 125-250K SHU. A nice citrusy flavor, and quite prolific. One of my favorites.

Btw, it's spelled with two i's: Fatalii. Some African language.

Worth1 · August 22, 2016

I doubt it is an "African" language for the chili unless it was derived from the European word for fatal with many spellings.
Just what is an (African) word?
Since Africa is not a country but a continent it has many languages much of which use words from European, Arabic, Indian, countries.
Two such languages spoken are Swahili a conglomeration of many languages from east Africa (Bantu) Arabic and Europe and then Afrikaans, which is a sister Dutch language with yest more conglomerations of languages.
Then we have to look at the Berlin conference of 1884-1885.
This pretty much divided Africa up into separate European territories.
Africa is so old that some of the languages spoken by different groups have all but been lost like the Pygmy language.

Worth

Cole_Robbie · August 22, 2016

I see now that there is supposed to be another i at the end.

Does the correct pronunciation still have just three syllables? fay-TAL-ee ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalii

The wiki article says it comes in other colors besides yellow. Some posts on the chile forums dispute whether the other colors are actually Fatalii. I'm seeing White Fatalii seeds for sale.

dmforcier · August 22, 2016

Fatalii is from the Central African Republic. One presumes that like other African peppers the name is that bestowed by the locals. Don't know what language they speak, but I doubt that it's French. The double ii may in fact represent a phoneme that we don't have. I pronounce is fa-TAH-lee, but the original namers would have to weigh in on correctness.

For instance, Mako Akokɔsrade is from the Ghana, I believe, and the namers speak the Twi language. The 3rd vowel of the second word is a phoneme that we don't have, called an "open O". Don't ask me how to pronounce it. Word can mean either "yellow" or "chicken fat". Mako is another favorite of mine, though not nearly as easy to grow as Fatalii.

Color me skeptical on all these "color variations". Fatalii has at last count, yellow (original), red, chocolate, white, green, and likely peach. I've grown the red and it isn't stable. It also isn't the same pepper. Most likely there are imposters and crosses in that list, too. Stick with the original.

ScottinAtlanta · August 22, 2016

Good post, dmforcier. Yellow Fatalii is one of my favorite peppers, and the overwintered plants produce from May to October here in Atlanta. Here is a para from another site:

Ethnic/Cultural Info

A new variety of Fatalii was developed in Finland in 2012 called the Fatalii Gourment Jigsaw. It is believed to surpass even the original Fatalii in heat and was chosen by the Finnish market garden association Kauppapuutarhaliitto as vegetable of the year in 2013.

Geography/History

Chiles were unknown in Africa prior to the 1500’s but they have since that time risen to be an integral part of the cuisine of the African continent. The Fatalii chile pepper specifically, originated in the Central African Republic. Sources indicate that it may be an early relative of the naga or bhut jolokia variety pepper, another variety that is well known for its extreme heat level.

July 17, 2016	#34
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	IIRC, ~~Marbles~~ is a patented plant. Medusa, not Marbles. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers Last edited by dmforcier; July 18, 2016 at 12:34 AM. Reason: Facts, not memory

July 18, 2016	#37
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Oops. Sorry, my bad. It is Medusa that is patented. A great little ornamental that would fit nicely in a basket. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

August 22, 2016	#41
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Oh yeah, hot. 125-250K SHU. A nice citrusy flavor, and quite prolific. One of my favorites. Btw, it's spelled with two i's: Fatalii. Some African language. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

August 22, 2016	#44
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Fatalii is from the Central African Republic. One presumes that like other African peppers the name is that bestowed by the locals. Don't know what language they speak, but I doubt that it's French. The double ii may in fact represent a phoneme that we don't have. I pronounce is fa-TAH-lee, but the original namers would have to weigh in on correctness. For instance, Mako Akokɔsrade is from the Ghana, I believe, and the namers speak the Twi language. The 3rd vowel of the second word is a phoneme that we don't have, called an "open O". Don't ask me how to pronounce it. Word can mean either "yellow" or "chicken fat". Mako is another favorite of mine, though not nearly as easy to grow as Fatalii. Color me skeptical on all these "color variations". Fatalii has at last count, yellow (original), red, chocolate, white, green, and likely peach. I've grown the red and it isn't stable. It also isn't the same pepper. Most likely there are imposters and crosses in that list, too. Stick with the original. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

July 17, 2016	#31
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	I'm think they are. I have not cut one open yet. The first time growing them, it's hard to tell when any of these peppers are ripe, because they turn so many colors. I think red is the final color, even for dark varieties like Black Pearl and Chile Conga.

July 17, 2016	#32
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Very nice looking peppers Cole. There are a lot on your list that I would like to grow as well. I'm growing a few smaller ornamentals that I'll be sending seed in to the MMMM - as well as offering in trades.. Filus Blue Marbles Masquerade Riot Thai Chili And a couple others that grow a larger plant.

August 22, 2016	#40
My Foot Smells Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Pulaski County, Arkansas Posts: 1,239	never grown a fatali pepper, sounds like the name of a female Russian spy. is it hot?

August 22, 2016	#42
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	I doubt it is an "African" language for the chili unless it was derived from the European word for fatal with many spellings. Just what is an (African) word? Since Africa is not a country but a continent it has many languages much of which use words from European, Arabic, Indian, countries. Two such languages spoken are Swahili a conglomeration of many languages from east Africa (Bantu) Arabic and Europe and then Afrikaans, which is a sister Dutch language with yest more conglomerations of languages. Then we have to look at the Berlin conference of 1884-1885. This pretty much divided Africa up into separate European territories. Africa is so old that some of the languages spoken by different groups have all but been lost like the Pygmy language. Worth

August 22, 2016	#45
ScottinAtlanta Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 2,593	Good post, dmforcier. Yellow Fatalii is one of my favorite peppers, and the overwintered plants produce from May to October here in Atlanta. Here is a para from another site: Ethnic/Cultural Info A new variety of Fatalii was developed in Finland in 2012 called the Fatalii Gourment Jigsaw. It is believed to surpass even the original Fatalii in heat and was chosen by the Finnish market garden association Kauppapuutarhaliitto as vegetable of the year in 2013. Geography/History Chiles were unknown in Africa prior to the 1500’s but they have since that time risen to be an integral part of the cuisine of the African continent. The Fatalii chile pepper specifically, originated in the Central African Republic. Sources indicate that it may be an early relative of the naga or bhut jolokia variety pepper, another variety that is well known for its extreme heat level.