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Next Stupices (Stupické rané and Stupické rané skleníkové) are only exhibits of seeds leid in Czech genobank (about 40 years) , where Andrey it read. It is not chance these seeds to carry from Czech genobank . That is way I don´t believe, that somebody have these seeds. Vladimír PS. : I have more information from book «Fruitage vegetables- 1968 » author Doc.Ing.František Vlček CSc the most authority on tomatoes in 70. age- manager of Research and Plant Breeding Inst. of Vegetables at Olomouc Last edited by MrBig46; November 28, 2013 at 04:00 AM. |
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Stupicke polni rane and Stupicka sklenikove are varieties, which are each ten years tested by ÚKZÚZ. Ing .Lefnerová has a folder with all documents each variety (documents for 65 years). She could me copy only applications (entry, check in ??) of these varieties, the other that lady (Director of National Plant of Variety Office) inhibited (embargo). I shall not welcome in ÚKZÚZ in the future.
It is routine, that in the aplication is not name but only number or . The variety develops the definitive name after the homologation. Stupicke sklenikove in 1954 and Stupicke polni rane in 1955. Cultivations of tomatoes was abated in Stupice in 1950 year. Jaroslav Homola was from 1950 in the farm Vrbičany, where he cultivate determinante tomato Vrbičanské nízké (Stupické polní rané x Bellevue Bush). Both variety Spr and Ss are (Mikado X Sláva Porýní) x Solanum racemigerum (from book). Sláva Porýní is old German tomato Rheinland Ruhm -red tomato. If you don´t understand something,ask me. I must end. Vladimír Last edited by MrBig46; November 28, 2013 at 06:10 AM. |
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I interested about tomato Mikado too. This tomato may be planted in all Czechoslovakia between world wars. Czechoslovakia from 1919 to 1939 = Bohemia+ Moravia+ Slovakia+ Undercarpatien Russia. May be- Mikado planted in Undercarpatien Russia (Užhorod, Mukačevo) After second world war Undercarptien Russia was agreggated to CCCP (Ukraine). And I think, that this tomato http://www.violet.kiev.ua/products/2567 is sought Mikado. Vladimír PS.: Efisakov is from Ukraine? |
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Vladimir,
Thank you! What is the original Czech name for Moravsky Div? I grew the Mikado Rozovyi from the Russian vendor (http://www.violet.kiev.ua/products/2567) in 2010. My observations are recorded here: http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Mikado_Rozovyi It is a very good tomato. I hope it is related to the original Mikado! But of course there is no way to know for sure...
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I have re-worked the History of Stupice tomato - please take a look and see if I got the facts correctly -
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stupice As we do not know which of the two original Stupicke varieties was sent to Abundant Life Foundation, we should have Stupice article at Tatiana's TOMATObase, but I will also create separate articles for Stupické polní rané and Stupické skleníkové. Tatiana
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Thank you all for the fantastic, informative thread!
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Me again, who is not going to go fetch the links she lost but here's roughly what I had posted.
Again noting that Mikado was one of the parents and also noting that the word Mikado was also used to indicate potato Leaf foliage. I looked up Solanum racemigerum and it's one of many older names that all refer to currant tomatoes. Tania, when one sees the variety it is known to be a large pink beefsteak as you know, so why would there be the other one called Mikado Rozovyi, which also means pink Mikado. I should know better than to ask that question b'c we always see: Brandywine Pink Brandywine .......at various seed sites. And I'm remembering better now what happened with the Mikado seeds Craig and I got from the USDA genebank and that b/c I went searching in some older yearbooks. The variety was not Mikado, it was Micado Violettor and was received from Norbert in France. I listed it as 4-6 oz globes in 1994, but that' way too small for Mikado/Micado. In the same yearbook some listed Micado Pink, wrongly as a Russian variety, but said 4-5 " irregular flattish pink beefsteaks and noted the orginal source (OS) was Marina, I think it was Marie Danilenko, TO2771 and that's the SSE accession number. So it means that Marie had sent that one to SSE, she was a source of many varieties to SSE and yes,lived in Russia, and perhaps SSE listed it in the YEarbook in an earlier Yearbook but it is the right size, and NOT being a globe. I'm just not so enthused about going through my older Yearbooks pre 1994 right now. But that larger size is what Mikado/Micado should be' Vladimir, I was looking for the names of Czech breeding stations with hopes that I might recognize the name of the place that the person at GW had called. Yes, I think I remember that Efisakov, Ella, is from the Ukraine, and Marina who also posts here is from the current Russia, and another one who I directed here from GW is also from I think either the Ukraine or Russia. Carolyn
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I will for the first time be growing a tomato from Spain in 2014: Is called Muchamiel Do you know everything about the back ground you can share with us.
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Looking at various 'Mikado' tomatoes available from commercial seed vendors, I think I understand why 'Rozovyi' (pink) qualifier was attached to the name As there are also Mikado Krasnyi (red) and Mikado Chernyi (black) varieties are also commercially available in Russia. There are many tomatoes originated in Russia that have the same names with different color adjectives added to the names. Examples that immediately come to my mind - Dusya Krasnaya and Dusya Malinovaya, Krasnyi Gigant and Rozovyi Gigant and Zheltyi Gigant; Krasnye Gryozy and Rozovye Gryozy, etc. When a variety gains some popularity in Russia, vendors are trying hard to release a variety with the name name and different color. That's a known phenomenon. Tatiana
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Joyce,
I am sorry, the only information I know about Muchamiel is listed here (I know, this is not a lot, but that's all I have at this time) - http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Muchamiel As this is not a Czech variety, I would doubt there is lots of info about it in the Czech seed bank. Tatiana EDITED TO ADD: Fred created a new thread (http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=30444) to address the question about Muchamiel. Thank you Fred!
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The Spanish people prefer varieties that are eaten underripe, most have prominent green shoulders and even when ripe are tart. All to say that I wouldn't grow it again. I've grown several varieties from Spain and all the ones I've grown have followed the same pattern as this one, that is, way too tart for me. I'm sure there are others that are better, but I haven't been growing any others from Spain recently. Carolyn, waiting for delivery of her T-Day dinner, home cooked by the parents of Angie, who does her grocery shopping for her.
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you did it perfectlly. Only it was better to write …. to the tomato was given to firm Sempra Praha and Moravian…….. (only if some Czech could be read). Vladimír PS.: I should like to post some pictures Czech tomatoes in summer |
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Vladimir,
Thank you! I am looking forward to seeing your pictures. I changed it to Quote:
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The breeding efforts took place on a state-owned Stupice farm founded in 1921 (Stupice is a small village near Prague, Czechoslovakia). The farm was nationalized in 1948 (as all the firms in former Czechoslovakia), then privatized again after 1989, and the 'rights' to the tomato was given to firms Sempra Praha, Seva Seed and Moravoseed. A nice day Vladimír |
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Thank you VladimiR!
I fixed it, as you suggested.
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