Carolyn's Fall 2011 Feedback Data For Seeds Sent

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Linda10

Bobbie (2010) sowed 2 seeds and 2 RL plants came up in 5 days. Pink hearts had a very beautiful deep red interior, clear epidermis, good sized, few seeds, peels easily. Flavor about 7.5. Two months production. Fairly early.

Hays' (2010) sowed 2 seeds and 2 RL plants came up in 5 days. Pink hearts, some highly pleated, clear epidermis, medium to large sizes, flavor 8.0. Going on 4th month of production still. In this very bad year, this was a stand-out.

Moravsky Div (2008) sowed 2 seeds and 2 PL plants came up in 6 days. Small, red fruit with flavor at 7.5. Produced for 2 months.

Kardia Karpas -reported in other thread.

Fish Lake Oxheart (2010) sowed 2 seeds and 0 came up in 8 days. Later sowed the rest of the seeds and still no germination.

Linda, I had just one plant and mine were red hearts. Right now I'm pretty sure that it wasn' my saved seeds that I used but I'd have to check on it. Suze listed it as a pink heart in the YEarbook, her seeds from Julien in France. Tania got her seeds from the same person and got red hearts. So I don't quite know where we are with this one:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Bobbie

... and is selling seeds as red hearts.

I was very pleased with Hays' myself and was glad to get some seed from Jeff Casey who lists it at his website. After all, it is a bulgarian variety and I have yet to meet a Bulgarian Tomato variety that I didn't like, well, now that I think of it there were a couple of them.

And I sure do know about the germination problem with Fish Lake Oxheart and that was grown this past season again, but I don't know how that turned out yet.

[Linda10]

Carolyn, thanks for that information on Bobbie. I had written down in my log that it was supposed to be red, so was very unsure when mine came out pink.

[Aubergine]

My Bobbie - seeds from Tomatofest - also was pink
it was very good, but if it's not true ...

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Aubergine

My Bobbie - seeds from Tomatofest - also was pink
it was very good, but if it's not true ...

Just read post #46 and you'll see that seeds for Bobbie from the same person gave both red and pink fruited hearts.

The original Bobbie, or Boobie as it were, was red, and so that's what the original was and what it should be, but epidermis mutations happen, I maintain several varieties in both the red and pink forms but try to never send out seeds for the wrong colored form.

In my book I described Cuostralee as red, which it should be, and also said that I had a pink version of it. I never sent out the pink but a couple of years later Glenn Drowns at Sandhill Preservation got the pink and he now lists it.

I Don't think I have enough seeds of Bobbie to offer next time, and I know it wasn't on the 2011 growout list for new seed. And I do think it's a great tasting, very good producing heart, at least it was for me.

STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM MAYBE ABOUT 50 OTHER FOLKS TO WHOM I SENT SEEDS AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK SO I CAN DECIDE WHAT TO REOFFER FOR MY 2012 SEED OFFER HERE. THANKS!

[Barbee]

Carolyn,
My Meme Beauce seeds were from 2010 (just dug the pack out to look) and I also got 0/6 germination. I think in the other thread you had mentioned the seed was not viable due to high temps during processing.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Barbee

Carolyn,
My Meme Beauce seeds were from 2010 (just dug the pack out to look) and I also got 0/6 germination. I think in the other thread you had mentioned the seed was not viable due to high temps during processing.

No, the 09 and 10 seeds of Meme Beauce were seeds that I saved. I can't remember but I thought that last year and this year most folks did pretty well with germination but I'd have to check out the 10 and 11 germination reports and I'm not in the mood to do that right now.

That variety was regrown this year b'c so many folks liked it but the person growing it didn't get any seeds, I didn't ask, but probably the plants died, or something like that. Actually I say that b'c I know there were several others he was growing for seed where the plants indeed did not make it.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Linda, I had just one plant and mine were red hearts. Right now I'm pretty sure that it wasn' my saved seeds that I used but I'd have to check on it. Suze listed it as a pink heart in the YEarbook, her seeds from Julien in France. Tania got her seeds from the same person and got red hearts. So I don't quite know where we are with this one:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Bobbie

... and is selling seeds as red hearts.

I haven't really been following any discussions here about the origin of Bobbie (Boobie), but yes, I got pink hearts from the seeds Julien shared with me. Very dark pink, but definitely pink. I scraped down a piece of epidermis and looked at it when I grew this variety in '10 because it was hard for me to tell just by looking at the fruits whether I had a red or pink. It was clear.

Also, the pictures I was just looking at on Tbase look dark pink to me. Both Julien's and Tatiana's pics.

[debbiedrew]

I had critters (mice) digging up my seeds and transplants this year faster than I could get them in the mix , so I'm very sorry that I don't have any feedback to give you this time. I think I have my problem solved for this next year and will try to plant some then.
Debbie

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by debbiedrew

I had critters (mice) digging up my seeds and transplants this year faster than I could get them in the mix , so I'm very sorry that I don't have any feedback to give you this time. I think I have my problem solved for this next year and will try to plant some then.
Debbie

Debbie, not to worry b'c I know that not everyone who requested seeds used them this year, hopefully they used some of them, and then there's always the possible problems with germinations, as the germination thread showed, where some got excellent results with a variety and someone else got no germination with the same variety.

And then after planting out there's the critters and weather to contend with as well.


When I do my seed offer I do ask for feedback and appreciate all that are able to do so, b'c it helps me know which varieties need to be grown again for seed, which are most popular as to taste, etc., and that's good as well since these days I try to grow varieties new to all or most, as best I can, so for many of them there is absolutely no prior feedback except for the persons who sent me specific varieties and some of them have the seeds but have never grown them out themselves.

As is oft said, there's always next year.

[Douglas14]

I did keep track of how many seeds I sowed, and how many came up, but I can't find the piece of paper I wrote it down on . The only variety I didn't get any to germinate was Meme Beauce. I sowed 8-10 of those seeds and none came up.
I also grew one Orange Minsk plant from seeds I received from you, from (I think) your seed offer the year before this last one. It grew large red beefsteak tomatoes. The pack has '08 on it, which I assume is the date you harvested the seeds.
I had successful germinations with Ste. Colombe, Giannini, and Rose d' Eauze, but I'm sorry I can't give you percentages on those.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Douglas14

I did keep track of how many seeds I sowed, and how many came up, but I can't find the piece of paper I wrote it down on . The only variety I didn't get any to germinate was Meme Beauce. I sowed 8-10 of those seeds and none came up.
I also grew one Orange Minsk plant from seeds I received from you, from (I think) your seed offer the year before this last one. It grew large red beefsteak tomatoes. The pack has '08 on it, which I assume is the date you harvested the seeds.
I had successful germinations with Ste. Colombe, Giannini, and Rose d' Eauze, but I'm sorry I can't give you percentages on those.

Doug, I think I'll just drop Meme Beauce from my seed offer. I looked in the SSE Yearbook, 2011, and those listing it listed it as red, although at Tania's site she says red, but Julien, from whom she got seeds, says pink.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...m%C3%A9_Beauce

And if there are germination problems known it just isn't worth it to send out seeds. Had the person growing it this past summer been able to get some seeds that would be a different story. But I noted at Tania site that Heritage Harvest seeds is selling seeds for it.

About Orange Minsk. Yes, those seeds were produced for me by someone who has been great at that and yes, the year was 2008. The blossoms were not bagged but you're the first person with a red beefsteak, and why not, if it isn't a stray seed. Seed mutations can occur as the fruits are developing and as I've said before, I can distriubte hundreds of seeds for one variety before anyone comes up with an offtype.

I think there was one offtype for Pervaya Lyubov reported as well.

If you're sure that red beefsteak wasn't a stray seed of something else I hope you saved seeds from it to see what you get when planted out next season.

Since I've had to use this walker the bulk of the seed I have has been produced for me by others, thankfully, although I have done some if I have enough fruits and someone is here to help me.

Edited to add; Doug, this is the Fall feedback thread so I don't really need the germination on those which as far as I know has been OK, so no problem.

[neoguy]

Carolyn,

Sorry for being late to the dance. It was a miserable growing season in northeast Ohio due to record rainfall. All the tomatoes were bland except for Green Doctor's Frosted. Green Doctors Frosted were absolutely delicious, a must grow.

I only started seeds of Green Doctor's Frosted and Anna Marie's Heart and had the following germination;

Anna Marie's Heart - 4 seeds started, 2 germinated
The plant habit and fruit looked as Anna Marie's Heart should, unfortunately I did not confirm the color of the epidermis.

Green Doctor's Frosted- 4 seeds started, 1 germinated
We're not big cherry tomato fans, but we do grow a couple every year. This completely blew Black Cherry out of the water for flavor this year.

[Wi-sunflower]

Sorry I'm late to this thread. Computer issues.

I only scanned part of this thread so pardon me if I missed something.

I think I posted in the spring thread about my lack of germination for most of Carolyn's seed this year. As it turns out, it was most likely a problem on my end. I got a bad jug of an additive I use in the greenhouse in my fertilizer water. It killed a whole lot of seedlings this spring.

By accident, the flat that had the pot with the Sara's Galapagos seeds wasn't thrown out and about 5 seeds germinated 2 months later. Apparently continued watering finally leached out the contaminant enough that the seeds then sprouted. Because it was so late by then we potted up 3 of the seedlings in 3 gal pots and kept them in the greenhouse. They are finally giving me a few small fruit I'm hoping will eventually ripen so I will have seeds for next year. So far they do seem smaller than the fruit I have from my other Sara's source but it also could be because they are in a pot.

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I'm wondering if anyone else has had large fruit from their "Green Zebra Cherry". I got seeds not from Carolyn but Glecklers this spring. The fruit is about identical to Green Zebra. I was under the impression that GZC was supposed to be smaller.

Carol

[Heritage]

Originally Posted by Wi-sunflower

I'm wondering if anyone else has had large fruit from their "Green Zebra Cherry". I got seeds not from Carolyn but Glecklers this spring. The fruit is about identical to Green Zebra. I was under the impression that GZC was supposed to be smaller.

Carol

Carol,

My Green Zebra Cherry were from Carolyn through SSE. I pruned a few greenhouse plants to a single stem and they produced large cherries - about golf ball size. I left a couple of other plants grow without pruning and the fruit from those was about one inch and smaller. Was the flavor of yours the same as GZ or was it sweeter (more typical of GZC)? It would be nice to have a larger GZC-flavored tomato.

Steve

[dustdevil]

Carolyn,

I went 0/6 this year with Meme Beauce also. I didn't grow the others from the 2010 offer yet. I had record heat and rain...worst year ever, so it was for the best.

Dust